Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

The only way this argument can continue is that you deny the law of thermodynamics, which is a solid, cold, stone, iron FACT that CANNOT be denied without denying physics, science, and basicly every other fact known to man.

Basicly, the laws of thermodynamics are the ultimate truths that cannot be disputed. And therefore proves the existance of god since only god would be able to go against these laws. Seeing as he created them, and can do ANYTHING, he is not bound by any laws of any kind. God is the ultimate, the alpha, the truth before all other truths.

I thought you were in bed?? haha

and I'll say it again, I suck at arguments so I'm just going to stop.

^ no continue...

Trackaholic wrote:Basicly, the laws of thermodynamics are the ultimate truths that cannot be disputed. And therefore proves the existance of god since only god would be able to go against these laws. Seeing as he created them, and can do ANYTHING, he is not bound by any laws of any kind. God is the ultimate, the alpha, the truth before all other truths.

Push Towards State wrote:^ no continue...

you creep me out

haha I was waiting for that exact response.

get a room

Trackaholic wrote:Basicly, the laws of thermodynamics are the ultimate truths that cannot be disputed. And therefore proves the existance of god since only god would be able to go against these laws. Seeing as he created them, and can do ANYTHING, he is not bound by any laws of any kind. God is the ultimate, the alpha, the truth before all other truths.

Big Bang theory actually suggests that there was a supermassive mass of matter than exploded outward. so it was always there and did not come from nothing. that stays within the first law of thermodynamics

This so called "Big Bang theory" (which is a funny show btw) could be turn but God made it happen or let it happen.

Running With Scissors wrote:This so called "Big Bang theory" (which is a funny show btw) could be turn but God made it happen or let it happen.

that might be true. i doubt it, but there could be some omnipotent being that is controlling everything but it doesn't seem too likely

Trackaholic wrote:Basicly, the laws of thermodynamics are the ultimate truths that cannot be disputed.

Nup, just an error in your physics. In singularities (places of [mathematically] infinite energy, such as black holes, the universe in it's first few seconds was a singularity), classical physics doesn't apply. Neither does relativity. At the moment, scientists are trying to develop a theory of physics (called quantum-gravity) which is able to work with infinite energies, and will be able to describe singularities, such as the early universe. Until then, we can't understand them (scientifically, at least).

Nice try though!

And therefore proves the existance of god since only god would be able to go against these laws. Seeing as he created them, and can do ANYTHING, he is not bound by any laws of any kind. God is the ultimate, the alpha, the truth before all other truths.

I find it hard to believe he can do anything. I mean, there's people dying of hunger everywhere in the world. AIDS is killing people. Innocent children in third world countries are forced into prostitution. He has the power to stop it, why doesn't he? I reach two conclusions: either he isn't all powerful, and has limited powers, or he's sadistic, and creates diseases to torture humans with. I might be wrong, but I can't think of any logical reason why he wouldn't give a starving child some food, or cure an innocent child of AIDS.

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Trackaholic wrote:Ive got this neat little book called Origins and Destiny by GANGE. It pretty much proves there is a god through a simple logical statement:

Nothing comes from nothing, nothing can bre created from nothing.


The First Law of ThermoDynamics:

"A natural process cannot bring something into existance from nothing."


Big Bang Theory=

if thats true, where did god come from? He couldn't just come from nothing because according to your equation its impossible.

God is not a natural process.

Running With Scissors wrote:This so called "Big Bang theory" (which is a funny show btw) could be turn but God made it happen or let it happen.

thats what i believe because, it had to have something to start it..and it never says anywhere in the bible how god created the world it just says he did. Well maybe thats how he did.

To all you christians, who created God?

god was always there and always will be the beginning and the end. god isn't a natural practice like trackaholic said it doesn't have to have something to create it.

BA_Sadie. wrote:god was always there and always will be the beginning and the end. god isn't a natural practice like trackaholic said it doesn't have to have something to create it.

Ok. Then I can say the same ting about the Big Bang. It was always there.

nope the big bang is a natural process something still had to start it ask any scientist.

BA_Sadie. wrote:nope the big bang is a natural process something still had to start it ask any scientist.

Then God isn't real if he just popped out from nothing.

yes he is hes always been there and hes not a natural process like big bang is he doesn't have to have something create him.

Running With Scissors wrote:This so called "Big Bang theory" (which is a funny show btw) could be turn but God made it happen or let it happen.

man, i love that show

BA_Sadie. wrote:yes he is hes always been there and hes not a natural process like big bang is he doesn't have to have something create him.

Ok. Then I can say there is some running God up there, that's what your saying. Your saying that he is just "there" and that you don't need proof. I could essentially make up a religion just like christianity. All I would have to do is say there is some type of God up there and say if you don't believe him you'll go to hell therefore making everyone believe it.

we don't have proof that there is wind yet we see the effects of it..i see the effects of god working everyday.

BA_Sadie. wrote:we don't have proof that there is wind yet we see the effects of it..i see the effects of god working everyday.

You can just say that. Lets say you win a race. You might say God did that for you. Your just "saying" things.

Christianity is a corrupt religion and tries converting everyone by telling them they will go to hell if they don't believe.

no no no...i don't know exactly how to explain it but i know god is there everyday there are miracles everyday that happen that there is no explanation for except god and explain how the world woulda been created if there wasn't a god. The big bang theory had to have something to start it what was that something GODDDDDD.