Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

Argue

you already know my stance if you have ever read my posts before

i'm not going to argue just because you told me to. you start.

I believe in evolution, but also that it is just a theory and that God oversaw it.

I don't think that evolution can even be argued or that God "oversaw" it. It is a fact that we are a product of natural selection over the period of millions of years. people generally cannot wrap their minds around the fact that the universe has just always been and was not created.

SourWorms wrote:I don't think that evolution can even be argued or that God "oversaw" it. It is a fact that we are a product of natural selection over the period of millions of years. people generally cannot wrap their minds around the fact that the universe has just always been and was not created.

Because the Big Bang Theory is not very believable.

SourWorms wrote:I don't think that evolution can even be argued or that God "oversaw" it. It is a fact that we are a product of natural selection over the period of millions of years. people generally cannot wrap their minds around the fact that the universe has just always been and was not created.

God has always been. The universe hasn't. wrap your mind around that.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:I don't think that evolution can even be argued or that God "oversaw" it. It is a fact that we are a product of natural selection over the period of millions of years. people generally cannot wrap their minds around the fact that the universe has just always been and was not created.

God has always been. The universe hasn't. wrap your mind around that.

Why can't the universe have always been if "God" has? That doesn't make much sense to me. The universe has always existed expanding and imploding on itself. That is the generally accepted scientific conclusion.

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:I don't think that evolution can even be argued or that God "oversaw" it. It is a fact that we are a product of natural selection over the period of millions of years. people generally cannot wrap their minds around the fact that the universe has just always been and was not created.

God has always been. The universe hasn't. wrap your mind around that.

Why can't the universe have always been if "God" has? That doesn't make much sense to me. The universe has always existed expanding and imploding on itself. That is the generally accepted scientific conclusion.

God cannot be explained in science.

God was there before anything(Genisis 1:1).

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:I don't think that evolution can even be argued or that God "oversaw" it. It is a fact that we are a product of natural selection over the period of millions of years. people generally cannot wrap their minds around the fact that the universe has just always been and was not created.

God has always been. The universe hasn't. wrap your mind around that.

Why can't the universe have always been if "God" has? That doesn't make much sense to me. The universe has always existed expanding and imploding on itself. That is the generally accepted scientific conclusion.

God cannot be explained in science.

God was there before anything(Genisis 1:1).

Again you are quoting the Bible which is almost completely untrue save for that a man named Jesus existed circa 0 A.D and that a universe does, in fact, exist. God cannot be explained in science because he is bassically made up just like every other deity in the world. He is a theory

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:I don't think that evolution can even be argued or that God "oversaw" it. It is a fact that we are a product of natural selection over the period of millions of years. people generally cannot wrap their minds around the fact that the universe has just always been and was not created.

God has always been. The universe hasn't. wrap your mind around that.

Why can't the universe have always been if "God" has? That doesn't make much sense to me. The universe has always existed expanding and imploding on itself. That is the generally accepted scientific conclusion.

God cannot be explained in science.

God was there before anything(Genisis 1:1).

Again you are quoting the Bible which is almost completely untrue save for that a man named Jesus existed circa 0 A.D and that a universe does, in fact, exist. God cannot be explained in science because he is bassically made up just like every other deity in the world. He is a theory

Just because something is a theory doesn't mean it isn't true.

The Matrix is a theory i choose to accept as true. Just because i believe its true doesn't make it true

heres what i think about evolution i think that god made the big bang happen so god did start it all after all in genesis it says he did but it doesn't say exactly..and the big bang still had to have something to start it and we have evolved over time that can't even be debated.

The universe does not exist.

runner_dude wrote:The universe does not exist.

Bull shit.

This is why Christians get on my nerves. I have nothing against them and they are nice but when it comes to issues like this they can't keep it in their pants.

Darwinian evoloution definatly has it's flaws, but I do believe that we did evolve. However, the number of 'jumps' made I find hard to explain.

1. First self-replicating proteins
2. First Prokaryotes
3. First Eukaryotes
4. First multi-celled organisms

Those are just some, other advances like sight, language, sentience, mitosis, meiosis, the nervous system, and everything else I find impossible to explain without a bit of help.

The Bee's Knees wrote:

runner_dude wrote:The universe does not exist.

Bull shit.

This is why Christians get on my nerves. I have nothing against them and they are nice but when it comes to issues like this they can't keep it in their pants.

It was a joke

runner_dude wrote:Darwinian evoloution definatly has it's flaws, but I do believe that we did evolve. However, the number of 'jumps' made I find hard to explain.

1. First self-replicating proteins
2. First Prokaryotes
3. First Eukaryotes
4. First multi-celled organisms

Those are just some, other advances like sight, language, sentience, mitosis, meiosis, the nervous system, and everything else I find impossible to explain without a bit of help.

Remember the evolution process went on through all Pre Cambrian time to today. Helluva long time.

runner_dude wrote:
Those are just some, other advances like sight, language, sentience, mitosis, meiosis, the nervous system, and everything else I find impossible to explain without a bit of help.

+1

runner_dude wrote:

The Bee's Knees wrote:

runner_dude wrote:The universe does not exist.

Bull shit.

This is why Christians get on my nerves. I have nothing against them and they are nice but when it comes to issues like this they can't keep it in their pants.

It was a joke

For the last freakin' time, I can't tell sarcasm.

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:I don't think that evolution can even be argued or that God "oversaw" it. It is a fact that we are a product of natural selection over the period of millions of years. people generally cannot wrap their minds around the fact that the universe has just always been and was not created.

God has always been. The universe hasn't. wrap your mind around that.

Why can't the universe have always been if "God" has? That doesn't make much sense to me. The universe has always existed expanding and imploding on itself. That is the generally accepted scientific conclusion.

God cannot be explained in science.

God was there before anything(Genisis 1:1).

Again you are quoting the Bible which is almost completely untrue save for that a man named Jesus existed circa 0 A.D and that a universe does, in fact, exist. God cannot be explained in science because he is bassically made up just like every other deity in the world. He is a theory

you believe in Jesus but not the scriptures he quoted? that makes sense....

i think he means he believes that a man named jesus did exist, he may not believe that he performed such miracles as are discribed in the bible.

thats just a guess though, i dunno

The Bee's Knees wrote:

runner_dude wrote:The universe does not exist.

Bull shit.

This is why Christians get on my nerves. I have nothing against them and they are nice but when it comes to issues like this they can't keep it in their pants.

want to know the reason why? it's not because we're trying to bug you. it's because we have something coming to us that we want you to have too.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

The Bee's Knees wrote:

runner_dude wrote:The universe does not exist.

Bull shit.

This is why Christians get on my nerves. I have nothing against them and they are nice but when it comes to issues like this they can't keep it in their pants.

want to know the reason why? it's not because we're trying to bug you. it's because we have something coming to us that we want you to have too.

Yes, I know you want to convert me.

My friends do it to me all the time, it gets annoying though.

alex-likes-running wrote:i think he means he believes that a man named jesus did exist, he may not believe that he performed such miracles as are discribed in the bible.

thats just a guess though, i dunno

alex, are christians really treated badly in china? i've heard some bad things....

The Bee's Knees wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

The Bee's Knees wrote:

runner_dude wrote:The universe does not exist.

Bull shit.

This is why Christians get on my nerves. I have nothing against them and they are nice but when it comes to issues like this they can't keep it in their pants.

want to know the reason why? it's not because we're trying to bug you. it's because we have something coming to us that we want you to have too.

Yes, I know you want to convert me.

My friends do it to me all the time, it gets annoying though.

i try to show i'm a christian by actions, not by words(1 john 3:18). actions are much more effective than words.