Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

Trackaholic wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:And why wouldnt they? if somebody can disprove the possibilty of god, that means there is no need for ethics, morals, anything. man can pursue earthly pleasures without regret. Booze, sex, porn, racism, etc. man can sin all he wants.

I am sure plenty of people would love to hear that.

I don't do any of those things without the guidance of God. I still have morals and live a good life. Unless you are completetly weak, you can handle yourself.

no, you really can't. i bet you still sin, even if it isn't anything big.

he didnt say he didnt sin, he said he had morals and lives a good life. Which I believe. just cause a person is an athiest does not mean they are an evil sinner. I dont think sourworms is an evil sinner simply because he does not believe what I believe. For all I know, sourworms could be a better person than I am by a hundred fold.

not in God's eyes though. and that's the only thing that matters.

Well in the end, I could still always go to hell and sourworms could be a convert later in life and go to heaven.

Trackaholic wrote:Sourworms, dont make me laugh.

No that is not true. If they do not believe he exists, they certainly do not fear him.

do you believe you can account for the disposition of every single athiest out there? sure, there are athiests who are totally sure of themselves and do not fear god at all, but not all of them are like that.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Sourworms, dont make me laugh.

No that is not true. If they do not believe he exists, they certainly do not fear him.

do you believe you can account for the disposition of every single athiest out there? sure, there are athiests who are totally sure of themselves and do not fear god at all, but not all of them are like that.

every atheist has doubts.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:No that is not true. If they do not believe he exists, they certainly do not fear him.

but everyone wonders at one point, whether they're atheists or agnostic, if there really is a God up there. they get scared, and try to scrounge up facts and try to make them look like they disprove God.

yes, i'll admit that some weak christians do that too though.

Don't get me started on traditionalists....

don't get me started on people that don't know anything about God.....

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Sourworms, dont make me laugh.

No that is not true. If they do not believe he exists, they certainly do not fear him.

do you believe you can account for the disposition of every single athiest out there? sure, there are athiests who are totally sure of themselves and do not fear god at all, but not all of them are like that.

every atheist has doubts.

You don't know that. =/

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:And why wouldnt they? if somebody can disprove the possibilty of god, that means there is no need for ethics, morals, anything. man can pursue earthly pleasures without regret. Booze, sex, porn, racism, etc. man can sin all he wants.

I am sure plenty of people would love to hear that.

I don't do any of those things without the guidance of God. I still have morals and live a good life. Unless you are completetly weak, you can handle yourself.

no, you really can't. i bet you still sin, even if it isn't anything big.

he didnt say he didnt sin, he said he had morals and lives a good life. Which I believe. just cause a person is an athiest does not mean they are an evil sinner. I dont think sourworms is an evil sinner simply because he does not believe what I believe. For all I know, sourworms could be a better person than I am by a hundred fold.

not in God's eyes though. and that's the only thing that matters.

Well in the end, I could still always go to hell and sourworms could be a convert later in life and go to heaven.

we could hope . i'd rather you stay out of hell though, lol.

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Sourworms, dont make me laugh.

No that is not true. If they do not believe he exists, they certainly do not fear him.

do you believe you can account for the disposition of every single athiest out there? sure, there are athiests who are totally sure of themselves and do not fear god at all, but not all of them are like that.

every atheist has doubts.

You don't know that. =/

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:No that is not true. If they do not believe he exists, they certainly do not fear him.

but everyone wonders at one point, whether they're atheists or agnostic, if there really is a God up there. they get scared, and try to scrounge up facts and try to make them look like they disprove God.

yes, i'll admit that some weak christians do that too though.

Don't get me started on traditionalists....

don't get me started on people that don't know anything about God.....

Is that referring to me?

Trackaholic wrote:

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Sourworms, dont make me laugh.

No that is not true. If they do not believe he exists, they certainly do not fear him.

do you believe you can account for the disposition of every single athiest out there? sure, there are athiests who are totally sure of themselves and do not fear god at all, but not all of them are like that.

every atheist has doubts.

You don't know that. =/

yea, I have met many an athiest who was toally sure of themselves. Just like we are totally sure of ourselves.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:No that is not true. If they do not believe he exists, they certainly do not fear him.

but everyone wonders at one point, whether they're atheists or agnostic, if there really is a God up there. they get scared, and try to scrounge up facts and try to make them look like they disprove God.

yes, i'll admit that some weak christians do that too though.

Don't get me started on traditionalists....

don't get me started on people that don't know anything about God.....

funrunner wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:No that is not true. If they do not believe he exists, they certainly do not fear him.

but everyone wonders at one point, whether they're atheists or agnostic, if there really is a God up there. they get scared, and try to scrounge up facts and try to make them look like they disprove God.

yes, i'll admit that some weak christians do that too though.

Don't get me started on traditionalists....

don't get me started on people that don't know anything about God.....

How can any of us claim to know anything of the true nature of God? (And don't say because of the Bible, which is definitely a product of man.)

Trackaholic wrote:we cant

Trackaholic wrote:

Just Because wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.

if religion isn't important to you, what is?

Starving kids in Africa
The Environment
Animal Cruelty
The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
Extremism

The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

FK wrote:So back on topic:

Does anyone else side with me and the Catholic Church?

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:

Just Because wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.

if religion isn't important to you, what is?

Starving kids in Africa
The Environment
Animal Cruelty
The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
Extremism

The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? sounded like you were sayingthat starving kids in africa are more important than this, so he said you're not doing anythig about it

I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am you is a runner

, what I do you run

, etc.

If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit. because that's exactly the same as what he said

Till then..STFU

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:

Just Because wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.

if religion isn't important to you, what is?

Starving kids in Africa
The Environment
Animal Cruelty
The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
Extremism

The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am, what I do, etc.

If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit.

Till then..STFU

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:

Just Because wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.

if religion isn't important to you, what is?

Starving kids in Africa
The Environment
Animal Cruelty
The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
Extremism

The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? sounded like you were sayingthat starving kids in africa are more important than this, so he said you're not doing anythig about it

I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am you is a runner

, what I do you run

, etc.

If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit. because that's exactly the same as what he said

Till then..STFU

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FK wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:

Just Because wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.

if religion isn't important to you, what is?

Starving kids in Africa
The Environment
Animal Cruelty
The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
Extremism

The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am, what I do, etc.

If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit.

Till then..STFU

You don't look like someone who would say that in real life.

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:

Just Because wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.

if religion isn't important to you, what is?

Starving kids in Africa
The Environment
Animal Cruelty
The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
Extremism

The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am, what I do, etc.

If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit.

Till then..STFU