Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

Pinthin wrote:theres more then one.. you have to keep reading.. lol

i'm not going to sit here for two days straight and explain to you how each one could be wrong.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Pinthin wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:Maybe Jesus was insane

an insane person that could heal people, raise them from the dead, and make violent storms go away, just because it was His will.

You don't know that any of that happened

yes i do.

how? where is the proof?

TEH BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!

The bible is incorrect on many counts. I've been told that a handfull of times (even by my brother who goes to church and all that stuff)

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#beasts_in_ark

^ I dont know how "legit" that is, but it makes some sense =]

i don't see the contradiction. the animals that went in by two must not have been "clean".

Please don't tell me you actually believe that Noah saved all of the animals on an ark...

that's what i'm telling you, man. you think it's impossible because you don't understand that God has no limits.

Even if god does not, man does. And a MAN could not create an ark with just his sons and take 2 of ever species of animal on it to save them from a flood. It is physically impossible

Trackaholic wrote:Audience of One, you should really just ignore them, this is not debate. They are just harrasing you for what you believe in. How is that debate? All they are doing is mocking you and me. We could do the same, but we wont stoop as low as them.

Besides, the argument:

"Jesus is fake! he never existed!"

isn't really much of an argument, its just a statement.
I suggest we just ignore them until they grow up and feel like continuing a real debate. Not this mockery.

yea, maybe.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Audience of One, you should really just ignore them, this is not debate. They are just harrasing you for what you believe in. How is that debate? All they are doing is mocking you and me. We could do the same, but we wont stoop as low as them.

Besides, the argument:

"Jesus is fake! he never existed!"

isn't really much of an argument, its just a statement.
I suggest we just ignore them until they grow up and feel like continuing a real debate. Not this mockery.

yea, maybe.

You say that I am mocking you because you cannot come up with any credible reason why you are so close-minded to the possibility that you just MIGHT be wrong?

I call pics or shens on God

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Pinthin wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:Maybe Jesus was insane

an insane person that could heal people, raise them from the dead, and make violent storms go away, just because it was His will.

You don't know that any of that happened

yes i do.

how? where is the proof?

TEH BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!

The bible is incorrect on many counts. I've been told that a handfull of times (even by my brother who goes to church and all that stuff)

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#beasts_in_ark

^ I dont know how "legit" that is, but it makes some sense =]

i don't see the contradiction. the animals that went in by two must not have been "clean".

Please don't tell me you actually believe that Noah saved all of the animals on an ark...

that's what i'm telling you, man. you think it's impossible because you don't understand that God has no limits.

Even if god does not, man does. And a MAN could not create an ark with just his sons and take 2 of ever species of animal on it to save them from a flood. It is physically impossible

God has NO limits. He is everywhere in the universe at once. he was with noah. he told him how to build the ark. he provided him with the tools to build it.

it took awhile but with Gods help Noah got it done.

Trackaholic wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:I hate arguing over things like this.

Everyone has their opinion, and nobody on an internet forum is going to change it with a couple big-worded posts *cough*Trackaholic*cough*


Just my opinion though. Keep arguing.

Did my big worded posts offend you, im sorry, I didnt mean to insult your intellect. sue me. geez.

This is a debate over one of the most controversial topics in the world? why would we limit ourselves to fourth grade vocabulary. Or should I say, JUNIOR high vocabulary.

Chill out bud, it was a joke.

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Audience of One, you should really just ignore them, this is not debate. They are just harrasing you for what you believe in. How is that debate? All they are doing is mocking you and me. We could do the same, but we wont stoop as low as them.

Besides, the argument:

"Jesus is fake! he never existed!"

isn't really much of an argument, its just a statement.
I suggest we just ignore them until they grow up and feel like continuing a real debate. Not this mockery.

yea, maybe.

You say that I am mocking you because you cannot come up with any credible reason why you are so close-minded to the possibility that you just MIGHT be wrong?

I call pics or shens on God

well you are asking questions when you already know how i'm gonna answer every time.

The bible contradictions link is baloney:

For instance:

"The bat is not a bird"

First of all, Carolus Linnaeus did not come around until the 18th century, when classifications such as fowls and brids where set in stone. Beforhand, in biblical times, it is quite possible people considered bats to be birds. And seeing as the bible is composed of accounts written by men, it is easily understandable how such TRIVIAL errors could have occured.

Same with "insects do not have four feet"

"Snails do not melt"? are you kidding me, we are doubting the bible based on the premise that snails do not melt in a literal sense? what the fuck is wrong with you? Take any snail, put some salt on the bastard, watch it dissolve. its not literally melting, but how could people in biblical times have known that!

"The shape of the earth"

This one made me laugh, this is satan we are talking about, if he wanted to show someone all the worlds glories, he will. He is not constricted by the spherical shape of the earth!

"snakes dont eat dirt"

wow, no real comment. Again, this is just some jackass taking the bible way to literally. Can he not understand that the bible uses symbolism? this is not a contradiction, this is an idiot being dense and a literalist.

I dont feel like typing out explanations for all these so called "contradictions". So do me a favor, browse through them yourself, if you find one that you think can stump me, just post it. I can provide a logical response for every single fucking "contradiction" found on that webpage. just try me.

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:I hate arguing over things like this.

Everyone has their opinion, and nobody on an internet forum is going to change it with a couple big-worded posts *cough*Trackaholic*cough*


Just my opinion though. Keep arguing.

Did my big worded posts offend you, im sorry, I didnt mean to insult your intellect. sue me. geez.

This is a debate over one of the most controversial topics in the world? why would we limit ourselves to fourth grade vocabulary. Or should I say, JUNIOR high vocabulary.

Chill out bud, it was a joke.

Fine, my bad. Its hard to sense sarcasm via text.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Pinthin wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:Maybe Jesus was insane

an insane person that could heal people, raise them from the dead, and make violent storms go away, just because it was His will.

You don't know that any of that happened

yes i do.

how? where is the proof?

TEH BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!

The bible is incorrect on many counts. I've been told that a handfull of times (even by my brother who goes to church and all that stuff)

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#beasts_in_ark

^ I dont know how "legit" that is, but it makes some sense =]

i don't see the contradiction. the animals that went in by two must not have been "clean".

Please don't tell me you actually believe that Noah saved all of the animals on an ark...

that's what i'm telling you, man. you think it's impossible because you don't understand that God has no limits.

Even if god does not, man does. And a MAN could not create an ark with just his sons and take 2 of ever species of animal on it to save them from a flood. It is physically impossible

God has NO limits. He is everywhere in the universe at once. he was with noah. he told him how to build the ark. he provided him with the tools to build it.

it took awhile but with Gods help Noah got it done.

So did he take the dinosaurs with him too? or were they already extinct...but thats not in the bible

Trackaholic wrote:The bible contradictions link is baloney:

For instance:

"The bat is not a bird"

First of all, Carolus Linnaeus did not come around until the 18th century, when classifications such as fowls and brids where set in stone. Beforhand, in biblical times, it is quite possible people considered bats to be birds. And seeing as the bible is composed of accounts written by men, it is easily understandable how such TRIVIAL errors could have occured.

Same with "insects do not have four feet"

"Snails do not melt"? are you kidding me, we are doubting the bible based on the premise that snails do not melt in a literal sense? what the fuck is wrong with you? Take any snail, put some salt on the bastard, watch it dissolve. its not literally melting, but how could people in biblical times have known that!

"The shape of the earth"

This one made me laugh, this is satan we are talking about, if he wanted to show someone all the worlds glories, he will. He is not constricted by the spherical shape of the earth!

"snakes dont eat dirt"

wow, no real comment. Again, this is just some jackass taking the bible way to literally. Can he not understand that the bible uses symbolism? this is not a contradiction, this is an idiot being dense and a literalist.

I dont feel like typing out explanations for all these so called "contradictions". So do me a favor, browse through them yourself, if you find one that you think can stump me, just post it. I can provide a logical response for every single fucking "contradiction" found on that webpage. just try me.

You say he is taking it way to literally and yet you believe that Noah took 189032849032894032984 animals on a boat with him. and then proceeded to commit incest again with his family to start a new world

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Audience of One, you should really just ignore them, this is not debate. They are just harrasing you for what you believe in. How is that debate? All they are doing is mocking you and me. We could do the same, but we wont stoop as low as them.

Besides, the argument:

"Jesus is fake! he never existed!"

isn't really much of an argument, its just a statement.
I suggest we just ignore them until they grow up and feel like continuing a real debate. Not this mockery.

yea, maybe.

You say that I am mocking you because you cannot come up with any credible reason why you are so close-minded to the possibility that you just MIGHT be wrong?

I call pics or shens on God

well you are asking questions when you already know how i'm gonna answer every time.

No he is right, there is no credible reason, no scientific measure, no logical background for faith. Faith is simply Faith. I have no reason to really believe my religon over any other. And yes, there is a possibility I might be wrong

but guess what sourworms? I dont care. I believe in Jesus christ, that is my faith. If you think that is close-minded, then fine, I am close minded.

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Pinthin wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:Maybe Jesus was insane

an insane person that could heal people, raise them from the dead, and make violent storms go away, just because it was His will.

You don't know that any of that happened

yes i do.

how? where is the proof?

TEH BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!

The bible is incorrect on many counts. I've been told that a handfull of times (even by my brother who goes to church and all that stuff)

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#beasts_in_ark

^ I dont know how "legit" that is, but it makes some sense =]

i don't see the contradiction. the animals that went in by two must not have been "clean".

Please don't tell me you actually believe that Noah saved all of the animals on an ark...

that's what i'm telling you, man. you think it's impossible because you don't understand that God has no limits.

Even if god does not, man does. And a MAN could not create an ark with just his sons and take 2 of ever species of animal on it to save them from a flood. It is physically impossible

God has NO limits. He is everywhere in the universe at once. he was with noah. he told him how to build the ark. he provided him with the tools to build it.

it took awhile but with Gods help Noah got it done.

So did he take the dinosaurs with him too? or were they already extinct...but thats not in the bible

lol i have no idea. but i thinks it's obvious to know that if the animal was extict by that time, it wouldn't have gone on the Ark.

SourWorms wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:The bible contradictions link is baloney:

For instance:

"The bat is not a bird"

First of all, Carolus Linnaeus did not come around until the 18th century, when classifications such as fowls and brids where set in stone. Beforhand, in biblical times, it is quite possible people considered bats to be birds. And seeing as the bible is composed of accounts written by men, it is easily understandable how such TRIVIAL errors could have occured.

Same with "insects do not have four feet"

"Snails do not melt"? are you kidding me, we are doubting the bible based on the premise that snails do not melt in a literal sense? what the fuck is wrong with you? Take any snail, put some salt on the bastard, watch it dissolve. its not literally melting, but how could people in biblical times have known that!

"The shape of the earth"

This one made me laugh, this is satan we are talking about, if he wanted to show someone all the worlds glories, he will. He is not constricted by the spherical shape of the earth!

"snakes dont eat dirt"

wow, no real comment. Again, this is just some jackass taking the bible way to literally. Can he not understand that the bible uses symbolism? this is not a contradiction, this is an idiot being dense and a literalist.

I dont feel like typing out explanations for all these so called "contradictions". So do me a favor, browse through them yourself, if you find one that you think can stump me, just post it. I can provide a logical response for every single fucking "contradiction" found on that webpage. just try me.

You say he is taking it way to literally and yet you believe that Noah took 189032849032894032984 animals on a boat with him. and then proceeded to commit incest again with his family to start a new world

You obviously have no idea how big noahs boat was, it made the titanic look like a fucking ant man.

And yes, at that point incest was again neccesary for survival.

Fitting 189032849032894032984 animals on a boat seems impossible? How about turning water into wine? or curing the blind? or walking on the sea?

All things are possible with god, that is my faith.

Trackaholic wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Audience of One, you should really just ignore them, this is not debate. They are just harrasing you for what you believe in. How is that debate? All they are doing is mocking you and me. We could do the same, but we wont stoop as low as them.

Besides, the argument:

"Jesus is fake! he never existed!"

isn't really much of an argument, its just a statement.
I suggest we just ignore them until they grow up and feel like continuing a real debate. Not this mockery.

yea, maybe.

You say that I am mocking you because you cannot come up with any credible reason why you are so close-minded to the possibility that you just MIGHT be wrong?

I call pics or shens on God

well you are asking questions when you already know how i'm gonna answer every time.

No he is right, there is no credible reason, no scientific measure, no logical background for faith. Faith is simply Faith. I have no reason to really believe my religon over any other. And yes, there is a possibility I might be wrong

but guess what sourworms? I dont care. I believe in Jesus christ, that is my faith. If you think that is close-minded, then fine, I am close minded.

tell em.

Trackaholic wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Audience of One, you should really just ignore them, this is not debate. They are just harrasing you for what you believe in. How is that debate? All they are doing is mocking you and me. We could do the same, but we wont stoop as low as them.

Besides, the argument:

"Jesus is fake! he never existed!"

isn't really much of an argument, its just a statement.
I suggest we just ignore them until they grow up and feel like continuing a real debate. Not this mockery.

yea, maybe.

You say that I am mocking you because you cannot come up with any credible reason why you are so close-minded to the possibility that you just MIGHT be wrong?

I call pics or shens on God

well you are asking questions when you already know how i'm gonna answer every time.

No he is right, there is no credible reason, no scientific measure, no logical background for faith. Faith is simply Faith. I have no reason to really believe my religon over any other. And yes, there is a possibility I might be wrong

but guess what sourworms? I dont care. I believe in Jesus christ, that is my faith. If you think that is close-minded, then fine, I am close minded.

No, what you said is completely true. Faith is bitchin for sure, Im not going to judge anyone for believing in god as long as they hold the possiblity open that they might be wrong. No one can know anything 100% sure and as long as you accept that, I will not call you close-minded

well then you got what you wanted sourworms

But i thought this was all just years after Adam and Eve? We know dinosaurs lived from 250-65 milllion years ago. It seems like this great flood must have happened after this fact. Or maybe God didnt come into existance or care until 50,000 years ago when hunter-gatherers began to appear on earth.

SourWorms wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:The bible contradictions link is baloney:

For instance:

"The bat is not a bird"

First of all, Carolus Linnaeus did not come around until the 18th century, when classifications such as fowls and brids where set in stone. Beforhand, in biblical times, it is quite possible people considered bats to be birds. And seeing as the bible is composed of accounts written by men, it is easily understandable how such TRIVIAL errors could have occured.

Same with "insects do not have four feet"

"Snails do not melt"? are you kidding me, we are doubting the bible based on the premise that snails do not melt in a literal sense? what the fuck is wrong with you? Take any snail, put some salt on the bastard, watch it dissolve. its not literally melting, but how could people in biblical times have known that!

"The shape of the earth"

This one made me laugh, this is satan we are talking about, if he wanted to show someone all the worlds glories, he will. He is not constricted by the spherical shape of the earth!

"snakes dont eat dirt"

wow, no real comment. Again, this is just some jackass taking the bible way to literally. Can he not understand that the bible uses symbolism? this is not a contradiction, this is an idiot being dense and a literalist.

I dont feel like typing out explanations for all these so called "contradictions". So do me a favor, browse through them yourself, if you find one that you think can stump me, just post it. I can provide a logical response for every single fucking "contradiction" found on that webpage. just try me.

You say he is taking it way to literally and yet you believe that Noah took 189032849032894032984 animals on a boat with him. and then proceeded to commit incest again with his family to start a new world

that boat was huge. my youth group did something about that a couple years ago, we went out to a wide open space and stood at the exact dimensions of how th ark was. it was crazy.

Trackaholic wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Audience of One, you should really just ignore them, this is not debate. They are just harrasing you for what you believe in. How is that debate? All they are doing is mocking you and me. We could do the same, but we wont stoop as low as them.

Besides, the argument:

"Jesus is fake! he never existed!"

isn't really much of an argument, its just a statement.
I suggest we just ignore them until they grow up and feel like continuing a real debate. Not this mockery.

yea, maybe.

You say that I am mocking you because you cannot come up with any credible reason why you are so close-minded to the possibility that you just MIGHT be wrong?

I call pics or shens on God

well you are asking questions when you already know how i'm gonna answer every time.

No he is right, there is no credible reason, no scientific measure, no logical background for faith. Faith is simply Faith. I have no reason to really believe my religon over any other. And yes, there is a possibility I might be wrong

Thank you, thats all I wanted to hear

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:The bible contradictions link is baloney:

For instance:

"The bat is not a bird"

First of all, Carolus Linnaeus did not come around until the 18th century, when classifications such as fowls and brids where set in stone. Beforhand, in biblical times, it is quite possible people considered bats to be birds. And seeing as the bible is composed of accounts written by men, it is easily understandable how such TRIVIAL errors could have occured.

Same with "insects do not have four feet"

"Snails do not melt"? are you kidding me, we are doubting the bible based on the premise that snails do not melt in a literal sense? what the fuck is wrong with you? Take any snail, put some salt on the bastard, watch it dissolve. its not literally melting, but how could people in biblical times have known that!

"The shape of the earth"

This one made me laugh, this is satan we are talking about, if he wanted to show someone all the worlds glories, he will. He is not constricted by the spherical shape of the earth!

"snakes dont eat dirt"

wow, no real comment. Again, this is just some jackass taking the bible way to literally. Can he not understand that the bible uses symbolism? this is not a contradiction, this is an idiot being dense and a literalist.

I dont feel like typing out explanations for all these so called "contradictions". So do me a favor, browse through them yourself, if you find one that you think can stump me, just post it. I can provide a logical response for every single fucking "contradiction" found on that webpage. just try me.

You say he is taking it way to literally and yet you believe that Noah took 189032849032894032984 animals on a boat with him. and then proceeded to commit incest again with his family to start a new world

that boat was huge. my youth group did something about that a couple years ago, we went out to a wide open space and stood at the exact dimensions of how th ark was. it was crazy.

Because everyone knows the correct dimensions right? That part of the bible is obviously made up, no one has ever seen anything that proves how big the Arc was. And even if that fictitious number was that large, it is not possible to collect every species of every animal and put them on an ark that is big enough to house them all

SourWorms wrote:But i thought this was all just years after Adam and Eve? We know dinosaurs lived from 250-65 milllion years ago. It seems like this great flood must have happened after this fact. Or maybe God didnt come into existance or care until 50,000 years ago when hunter-gatherers began to appear on earth.

ugh, weve already been over this sourworms. Carbon dating blah blah blah. According to any reputable scientist, carbon dating is only good for 50,000 years. In addition to that, carbon dating is part of the 10% of dating systems that say all these artifacts are so old, while the other 90% point to the earth and its fossils being very young.

You do not know whehter dinosuars lived 250-65 millions of years ago, you have no proof.

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:The bible contradictions link is baloney:

For instance:

"The bat is not a bird"

First of all, Carolus Linnaeus did not come around until the 18th century, when classifications such as fowls and brids where set in stone. Beforhand, in biblical times, it is quite possible people considered bats to be birds. And seeing as the bible is composed of accounts written by men, it is easily understandable how such TRIVIAL errors could have occured.

Same with "insects do not have four feet"

"Snails do not melt"? are you kidding me, we are doubting the bible based on the premise that snails do not melt in a literal sense? what the fuck is wrong with you? Take any snail, put some salt on the bastard, watch it dissolve. its not literally melting, but how could people in biblical times have known that!

"The shape of the earth"

This one made me laugh, this is satan we are talking about, if he wanted to show someone all the worlds glories, he will. He is not constricted by the spherical shape of the earth!

"snakes dont eat dirt"

wow, no real comment. Again, this is just some jackass taking the bible way to literally. Can he not understand that the bible uses symbolism? this is not a contradiction, this is an idiot being dense and a literalist.

I dont feel like typing out explanations for all these so called "contradictions". So do me a favor, browse through them yourself, if you find one that you think can stump me, just post it. I can provide a logical response for every single fucking "contradiction" found on that webpage. just try me.

You say he is taking it way to literally and yet you believe that Noah took 189032849032894032984 animals on a boat with him. and then proceeded to commit incest again with his family to start a new world

that boat was huge. my youth group did something about that a couple years ago, we went out to a wide open space and stood at the exact dimensions of how th ark was. it was crazy.

Because everyone knows the correct dimensions right? That part of the bible is obviously made up, no one has ever seen anything that proves how big the Arc was. And even if that fictitious number was that large, with out God it is not possible to collect every species of every animal and put them on an ark that is big enough to house them all

fixed

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:The bible contradictions link is baloney:

For instance:

"The bat is not a bird"

First of all, Carolus Linnaeus did not come around until the 18th century, when classifications such as fowls and brids where set in stone. Beforhand, in biblical times, it is quite possible people considered bats to be birds. And seeing as the bible is composed of accounts written by men, it is easily understandable how such TRIVIAL errors could have occured.

Same with "insects do not have four feet"

"Snails do not melt"? are you kidding me, we are doubting the bible based on the premise that snails do not melt in a literal sense? what the fuck is wrong with you? Take any snail, put some salt on the bastard, watch it dissolve. its not literally melting, but how could people in biblical times have known that!

"The shape of the earth"

This one made me laugh, this is satan we are talking about, if he wanted to show someone all the worlds glories, he will. He is not constricted by the spherical shape of the earth!

"snakes dont eat dirt"

wow, no real comment. Again, this is just some jackass taking the bible way to literally. Can he not understand that the bible uses symbolism? this is not a contradiction, this is an idiot being dense and a literalist.

I dont feel like typing out explanations for all these so called "contradictions". So do me a favor, browse through them yourself, if you find one that you think can stump me, just post it. I can provide a logical response for every single fucking "contradiction" found on that webpage. just try me.

You say he is taking it way to literally and yet you believe that Noah took 189032849032894032984 animals on a boat with him. and then proceeded to commit incest again with his family to start a new world

that boat was huge. my youth group did something about that a couple years ago, we went out to a wide open space and stood at the exact dimensions of how th ark was. it was crazy.

Because everyone knows the correct dimensions right? That part of the bible is obviously made up, no one has ever seen anything that proves how big the Arc was. And even if that fictitious number was that large, it is not possible to collect every species of every animal and put them on an ark that is big enough to house them all

its also impossible to walk on water.