Where Did God Go?????

BagoXC25 wrote:Wow, someone actually understood me for once lol, thank you . And I must say, this is the cleanest religion debate I have ever seen, but to get back on topic. I'm catholic and there are weird exceptions and rules, but the bottom line really is if you believe in Jesus then you go to heaven, because by believing in Jesus you are accepting God. Here is some clarification of some catholic practices that a lot of people don't understand.

We have a priest because he has accepting the holy spirit into himself, given to him by the apostles, who got it from Jesus so that the apostles (and priest and bishops etc) could forgive sins and heal the sick and whatnot. Priests "married" to the church and so have a different spiritual bond with God than we do. We go through him to get our sacrement of reconciliation so God can forgive us for our sins. This does not mean we don't have to pray for forgiveness also though, which most people do. I pray because I feel bad after my sin and feel the need to confess it right away, along with recieving reconciliation. This is actually in the bible (John
20:22–23 for example.)

The mortal sins I referred too are more serious because we are not just forgetting about God for that time, but we are completely cutting God from our lives by intentionally sinning, or premeditating a sin. Mortal, or "deadly" sins as the bible refers to them (1 John
5:16-17), cannot be cleansed by praying alone and MUST be forgiven with the sacrement of reconciliation. Mortal sins include a whole lot of different things that most of do more than we would think. I can see how a lot of peole think catholic churches are just filled with a whole lot of extra non-sense, but I would just rather be doing too much to forgive my sins and get into heaven than too little if you know what I mean.

This was not meant to promote my specific religion or to degrade other religions, but was just to clarify some things like I said.

5280ft wrote:

whenhen wrote:Audience: I can't swallow what you're saying. If I killed 17 people in cold blood, then decided god was real, and said "Well gee god, sorry for killing all those people, my bad," I'd go to heaven? Vs if I were an atheist whos life work was helping orphans in Africa get an education and a guaranteed meal day after day, I'd go to hell.

If the killer decided, 'well God says if we ask, he will forgive, so I'll just say, sorry God, forgive me' he wouldn't be forgiven. Someone really needs to feel terrible for their deeds. If the serial killer did ask for forgiveness and felt it in his heart, he would be forgiven. What happened before doesn't matter. His sins are wiped away and he is a new person. Its like what he did earlier happened in a past life. So long as he actively tries to become a better person from then on.
Even the most evil of people can be forgiven and brought to be wonderful.

SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?

SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?

alex-likes-running wrote:

SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?

yes

SourWorms wrote:

alex-likes-running wrote:

SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?

yes

lol how do you believe that

thank you, i just wanted one person to say yes because it is the most ridiculous thing ever. believing in that is like worshipping the Easter Bunny

BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.

CT Track wrote:I'm pretty sure I took sex ed. and biology and I know why my father is who he is. God? Umm....is he even a form of matter?

Running With Scissors wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

alex-likes-running wrote:

SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?

yes

lol how do you believe that

thank you, i just wanted one person to say yes because it is the most ridiculous thing ever. believing in that is like worshipping the Easter Bunny

BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.

whenhen wrote:

BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.

Not really. You can't use any of your five senses to observe god, but you can look at the similar features of you and your father. For skeptics of god who can't feel it's presence, it's a bad analogy.

xc_babe09 wrote:

whenhen wrote:

BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.

Not really. You can't use any of your five senses to observe god, but you can look at the similar features of you and your father. For skeptics of god who can't feel it's presence, it's a bad analogy.

yea, we were discussing this and some people who do believe end up hating god because he doesnt give them exactly what they want. now if i pray. what i receive i take as a gift of guidance because god doesnt always give us the easiest things or the things we want but he gives us the things we need. and idk about the skeptics but they just remain skeptics because they dont try or anything. they dont understand that in order to understand and accept god they have to trust him and believe in him. it doesnt just happen. which i think is the problem with some skeptics they want it to just come to them. but it cant. so thats how they remain. sorry if no one understands that.

funrunner wrote:

Running With Scissors wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

alex-likes-running wrote:

SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?

yes

lol how do you believe that

thank you, i just wanted one person to say yes because it is the most ridiculous thing ever. believing in that is like worshipping the Easter Bunny

Seriously dude, watch it. Easter Bunny worship is serious bizniz.

Pinthin wrote:

xc_babe09 wrote:

whenhen wrote:

BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.

Not really. You can't use any of your five senses to observe god, but you can look at the similar features of you and your father. For skeptics of god who can't feel it's presence, it's a bad analogy.

yea, we were discussing this and some people who do believe end up hating god because he doesnt give them exactly what they want. now if i pray. what i receive i take as a gift of guidance because god doesnt always give us the easiest things or the things we want but he gives us the things we need. and idk about the skeptics but they just remain skeptics because they dont try or anything. they dont understand that in order to understand and accept god they have to trust him and believe in him. it doesnt just happen. which i think is the problem with some skeptics they want it to just come to them. but it cant. so thats how they remain. sorry if no one understands that.

the reason I became skeptical as I grew on wasn't because I couldn't "hear him" but I discovered evolution and all that. I guess your way could be why some become skeptical of him but I think more do it just because as they get older they realize it sounds kind of hokey/discover new ideas.

CT Track wrote:I expect nothing from God. I am mentally mature enough to realize that God is just an explanation for why things happen. God is bunched up into a matter of coincidences, miracles, and scientific happenings. If you believe in God, that's fine. But don't believe in God because you believe in heaven. Believe in God because you wish to better yourself and be a good person.

Pinthin wrote:

xc_babe09 wrote:

whenhen wrote:

BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.

Not really. You can't use any of your five senses to observe god, but you can look at the similar features of you and your father. For skeptics of god who can't feel it's presence, it's a bad analogy.

yea, we were discussing this and some people who do believe end up hating god because he doesnt give them exactly what they want. now if i pray. what i receive i take as a gift of guidance because god doesnt always give us the easiest things or the things we want but he gives us the things we need. and idk about the skeptics but they just remain skeptics because they dont try or anything. they dont understand that in order to understand and accept god they have to trust him and believe in him. it doesnt just happen. which i think is the problem with some skeptics they want it to just come to them. but it cant. so thats how they remain. sorry if no one understands that.

the reason I became skeptical as I grew on wasn't because I couldn't "hear him" but I discovered evolution and all that. I guess your way could be why some become skeptical of him but I think more do it just because as they get older they realize it sounds kind of hokey/discover new ideas.