Where Did God Go?????

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:He could've, but add the fact that there are other stories in the old testament plus the evidence we have today and that's how I arrive at my conclusion.

so you're telling me that God can raise the dead and save people from death, but he can't create the world the way he said he did?!?

Isaiah 40

13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD,
or instructed him as his counselor?

14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge
or showed him the path of understanding?

Just because he can doesn't mean he would've had to.

in the bible it says God can't lie, it also says scripture is God-breathed.

are you calling God a liar?

A story can be a representation.

and you don't think he would have said that the stories are just representing things?

He might've, but it was the old testament. I trust the new testament a lot more.

do you read your bible?

it says that the Lord cannot change. why would the scriptures?

FinishingKick wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:He could've, but add the fact that there are other stories in the old testament plus the evidence we have today and that's how I arrive at my conclusion.

so you're telling me that God can raise the dead and save people from death, but he can't create the world the way he said he did?!?

Isaiah 40

13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD,
or instructed him as his counselor?

14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge
or showed him the path of understanding?

Just because he can doesn't mean he would've had to.

in the bible it says God can't lie, it also says scripture is God-breathed.

are you calling God a liar?

A story can be a representation.

and you don't think he would have said that the stories are just representing things?

He might've, but it was the old testament. I trust the new testament a lot more.

do you read your bible?

it says that the Lord cannot change. why would the scriptures?

Different authors?

Wgrt wrote:for god to be true in the way the bible says he has to be a paradox outside our comprehension, you can't argue against that, and all arguments for it basically centre on the fact that it would be outside our comprehension so in the end it is a choice

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Wgrt wrote:for god to be true in the way the bible says he has to be a paradox outside our comprehension, you can't argue against that, and all arguments for it basically centre on the fact that it would be outside our comprehension so in the end it is a choice

all our arguments for him are based on the Bible whisch is basicly an autobiography of God.

Adonai wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Wgrt wrote:for god to be true in the way the bible says he has to be a paradox outside our comprehension, you can't argue against that, and all arguments for it basically centre on the fact that it would be outside our comprehension so in the end it is a choice

all our arguments for him are based on the Bible whisch is basicly an autobiography of God.

learn to type/spell.

SourWorms wrote:the earliest gospel was written 40 years after the death of jesus by someone who was never actually with him. sorry, all of those quotes are untrue

the Bible whisch is basicly an autobiography of God.

P2 wrote:

SourWorms wrote:the earliest gospel was written 40 years after the death of jesus by someone who was never actually with him. sorry, all of those quotes are untrue

what happened to you believing in God?

CT Track wrote:

the Bible whisch is basicly an autobiography of God.

That is politically, religiously, and grammatically wrong in every single way.

Adonai wrote:

CT Track wrote:

the Bible whisch is basicly an autobiography of God.

That is politically, religiously, and grammatically wrong in every single way.

Let us take a look at your so called autobiography of god:

If god is in fact a perfect being, he should be, therefore, without contradiciton. I have taken the liberty of sampling just a short few of the many instances in which the "god-breathed" bible contradicts itself.



"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18



"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." -- Exodus 20:8

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -- Romans 14:5
This comes about because the first quote is in the old testament and the second is in the new. The Sabbath was part of the law that Moses gave the Israelites. When Jesus came, he fulfilled the old law and set a new one, where he declared himself Lord of the Sabbath. This is the Old Law vs. New Law.
"Ephesians 2:13-15:13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations."

"... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10



"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19



"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." -- Genesis 17:10

"...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." -- Galatians 5:2
Again, this has to do with the Old Law/Covenent and New Law/Covenent.


"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." -- Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...." -- Leviticus 20:17

"And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife (Abraham's sis)...I bless her, and give thee a son also of her..." -- Genesis 17:15-16
Genesis came before Deuteronomy and Leviticus. In Exodus, which came after Genesis and before Deut. and Levi. God gives these laws to Moses. So when Abraham has Sara as his wife, it was before the law was passed. Lets say on March 23, 1990, a law was passed making suckers illegal. If a man had had a sucker on March 20, 1990, he would not have broken the law or been guilty of anything.



"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." -- James 1:13

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..." -- Genesis 22:1

5280ft wrote:i don't have time to debate on every one right now but..

Adonai wrote:

CT Track wrote:

the Bible whisch is basicly an autobiography of God.

That is politically, religiously, and grammatically wrong in every single way.

Let us take a look at your so called autobiography of god:

If god is in fact a perfect being, he should be, therefore, without contradiciton. I have taken the liberty of sampling just a short few of the many instances in which the "god-breathed" bible contradicts itself.



"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18



"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." -- Exodus 20:8

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -- Romans 14:5
This comes about because the first quote is in the old testament and the second is in the new. The Sabbath was part of the law that Moses gave the Israelites. When Jesus came, he fulfilled the old law and set a new one, where he declared himself Lord of the Sabbath. This is the Old Law vs. New Law.
"Ephesians 2:13-15:13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations."

"... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10



"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19



"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." -- Genesis 17:10

"...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." -- Galatians 5:2
Again, this has to do with the Old Law/Covenent and New Law/Covenent.


"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." -- Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...." -- Leviticus 20:17

"And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife (Abraham's sis)...I bless her, and give thee a son also of her..." -- Genesis 17:15-16
Genesis came before Deuteronomy and Leviticus. In Exodus, which came after Genesis and before Deut. and Levi. God gives these laws to Moses. So when Abraham has Sara as his wife, it was before the law was passed. Lets say on March 23, 1990, a law was passed making suckers illegal. If a man had had a sucker on March 20, 1990, he would not have broken the law or been guilty of anything.



"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." -- James 1:13

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..." -- Genesis 22:1

Adonai wrote:

5280ft wrote:i don't have time to debate on every one right now but..

Adonai wrote:

CT Track wrote:

the Bible whisch is basicly an autobiography of God.

That is politically, religiously, and grammatically wrong in every single way.

Let us take a look at your so called autobiography of god:

If god is in fact a perfect being, he should be, therefore, without contradiciton. I have taken the liberty of sampling just a short few of the many instances in which the "god-breathed" bible contradicts itself.



"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18



"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." -- Exodus 20:8

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -- Romans 14:5
This comes about because the first quote is in the old testament and the second is in the new. The Sabbath was part of the law that Moses gave the Israelites. When Jesus came, he fulfilled the old law and set a new one, where he declared himself Lord of the Sabbath. This is the Old Law vs. New Law.
"Ephesians 2:13-15:13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations."

"... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10



"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19



"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." -- Genesis 17:10

"...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." -- Galatians 5:2
Again, this has to do with the Old Law/Covenent and New Law/Covenent.


"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." -- Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...." -- Leviticus 20:17

"And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife (Abraham's sis)...I bless her, and give thee a son also of her..." -- Genesis 17:15-16
Genesis came before Deuteronomy and Leviticus. In Exodus, which came after Genesis and before Deut. and Levi. God gives these laws to Moses. So when Abraham has Sara as his wife, it was before the law was passed. Lets say on March 23, 1990, a law was passed making suckers illegal. If a man had had a sucker on March 20, 1990, he would not have broken the law or been guilty of anything.



"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." -- James 1:13

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..." -- Genesis 22:1

Hmm.. so what you are saying is that god needs to ammend his own laws because the originals were faulty? You have basically compared the bible to the constitution, meaning it is imperfect and elastic (changeable). Why would god create the initial set of laws if he knew they would need correcting later? Is god not without error?

CT Track wrote:

the Bible whisch is basicly an autobiography of God.

That is politically, religiously, and grammatically wrong in every single way.

Let us take a look at your so called autobiography of god:

If god is in fact a perfect being, he should be, therefore, without contradiciton. I have taken the liberty of sampling just a short few of the many instances in which the "god-breathed" bible contradicts itself.
Since when is perfection without contradiction? Everything we consider perfect must have been challenged at some point so that we could determine that it is perfect.


"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18
2 things about this one. ONE: wasn't it moses who said that? if it was, he didn't mean exactly that. it says that God turned and moses saw his back. TWO: seeing God's face is like a metaphor. like when you witness his glory or see him revealed to you, people say they have seen the face of god. the first one could be metaphoric and the second being completely how it sounds. i'm not sure if God even has a defined face, so it doesn't matter to me anyway.


"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." -- Exodus 20:8

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -- Romans 14:5
wow, somebody needs a little bible lesson. the first one is from the OT and the second is from the NT. the three points of the NT are to show what kind of God he is, to show how the universe was created, and to predict christ. the second one is the one we follow. paul was telling us not to be lagalists


"... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10

easy to see that the first was taken out of context. since day 1 the plan has been the end.

"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19
in jer. 29:11 it says that god has his plan. you have no idea what it is. maybe Judah took their eyes off God? when that happened in the NT, the person started drowning.


"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." -- Genesis 17:10

"...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." -- Galatians 5:2
WOW, completely taken out of context and i think you know it. if you've read the 13 letters, you know that a major thing paul was trying to hammer in was that you can't get to heaven by worldly acts, which was what the galatians were doing. the letters were written to tell the people(and later, us) what they're doing wrong and how to fix it.



"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." -- Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...." -- Leviticus 20:17

"And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife (Abraham's sis)...I bless her, and give thee a son also of her..." -- Genesis 17:15-16

lol, you or whoever wrote this doesn't know their bible for real. Genesis was written LONG before dueteronomy and leviticus. back then who else did they have to sleep with? god made the law in the first two after there were enough women to go around. if they didn't sleep with fam, we might not be here today.



"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." -- James 1:13

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..." -- Genesis 22:1
haha, smart thing right there, putting in wuotes that were made thousands of years apart. and that might also be referring to times when he LET satan tempt job to see what he was made out of.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

CT Track wrote:

the Bible whisch is basicly an autobiography of God.

That is politically, religiously, and grammatically wrong in every single way.

politically? who cares?

religiously? no, it's not.

grammatically? yes, i spelled a word wrong and yet we're all still breathing.