Gay by choice or birth?

SourWorms wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

SourWorms wrote:Not becomes gay, but is born gay.

So they're gay from the beginning of their life?

Yes, in essence. although this is not realized until sexual maturity, based on what i have read, they are born with an abnormal hypothalmus

Now I've got you. There's no way a baby becomes gay when it is born, it has to be when the zygote is formed and the fetus gains genetic material. I just made you say the baby is gay from the beginning of their life, meaning you have admitted that life begins at conception and I have won the abortion debate.

No, I got exactly what you were trying to do unfortunately. That is exactly why i worded my statement very carefully.

"they are born with an abnormal hypothalmus"

Development in the womb affects how all of us will turn out to be when we are born. I said born for a reason, because a baby is not alive until birth

Nice try though, I commend you

I believe that it is both mental and genetic.

For instance, I think some people are born gay. They will be gay with no experience of liking men before hand or anything. Then there are those who are influenced some way to be attracted to the same sex. Like they started to see sex to early or something like that. I don't know the specifics but I have the general idea down.

One you can change, the other you can not. Either way, they should be treated with respect because like it or not they are people too.

BagoXC25 wrote:

SourWorms wrote:Hitler believed in Jesus Christ, I would like to believe if there is a god, he is burning in hell

I can't answer your question because I already explained to you that only God has the right to judge. We will find out in 100 years or so about Hitlers fate.

Hitler's fate? He died. That's all we'll ever know.

RawBeginner wrote:

BagoXC25 wrote:

SourWorms wrote:Hitler believed in Jesus Christ, I would like to believe if there is a god, he is burning in hell

I can't answer your question because I already explained to you that only God has the right to judge. We will find out in 100 years or so about Hitlers fate.

Hitler's fate? He died. That's all we'll ever know.

Or did he.

hm...

People like you are the reason i support abortion

SourWorms wrote:People like you are the reason i support abortion

i lol'd when i read that

Me being someone that has a few gay family members, I've got to say it is something that just happens at birth and is not something just picked. & I don't think that they are "doomed to hell" either.

you dont go to hell from one lousy little sin people.

Ew gay butt sex.

I think society today needs a healthy dose of SHAME.

RawBeginner wrote:

BagoXC25 wrote:

SourWorms wrote:Hitler believed in Jesus Christ, I would like to believe if there is a god, he is burning in hell

I can't answer your question because I already explained to you that only God has the right to judge. We will find out in 100 years or so about Hitlers fate.

Hitler's fate? He died. That's all we'll ever know.

well if you go to Heaven and you see hitler then you know he went to heaven, if you dont see him there then you know that he didnt really believe in God, so he isnt in Heaven

birth and i believe that its not our choice to decide whos going to hell or heaven..so don't talk about stuff like that it really bugs me when people say things like if your gay your going to hell you don't know that..you aren't one to judge.

P2 wrote:you dont go to hell from one lousy little sin people.

go read the bible before you say stuff like that.

BA_Sadie. wrote:birth and i believe that its not our choice to decide whos going to hell or heaven..so don't talk about stuff like that it really bugs me when people say things like if your gay your going to hell you don't know that..you aren't one to judge.

no, but the Judge told us what He is judging.

Birth, or at least in the fetus.
We're all going to hell anyways if the bible is literally interpreted.

whenhen wrote:Birth, or at least in the fetus.
We're all going to hell anyways if the bible is literally interpreted.

please read it before assuming crap.

I've never read it eirther. I always start and then get bored. I'm going to read it now.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

whenhen wrote:Birth, or at least in the fetus.
We're all going to hell anyways if the bible is literally interpreted.

please read it before assuming crap.

Leviticus 19:19 basically says that if you wear any non pure fabric, that is a sin. So that tech shirt you have is sinful. So too is that pair of jeans or even anything that is made of more than one fabric.
I didn't finish the bible when I attempted to read it (got bored), but I read an interesting book called Year of Living Biblically, which shows some really weird Old Testament sins.

I tried reading it when I was ten, I made it too about page 15 or so.

I think the only bible we have is meant for little kids, lol ooh well it will just make it easier to read .

I have a koran, I actually planned on reading that first before I read the bible.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

BA_Sadie. wrote:birth and i believe that its not our choice to decide whos going to hell or heaven..so don't talk about stuff like that it really bugs me when people say things like if your gay your going to hell you don't know that..you aren't one to judge.

no, but the Judge told us what He is judging.

i know i know..but i just kind of stay away from topics like this idk it just seems iffy...i mean i believe and god and everything no question there. Its just some other things that i don't understand and frankly i don't think im meant to.

whenhen wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

whenhen wrote:Birth, or at least in the fetus.
We're all going to hell anyways if the bible is literally interpreted.

please read it before assuming crap.

Leviticus 19:19 basically says that if you wear any non pure fabric, that is a sin. So that tech shirt you have is sinful. So too is that pair of jeans or even anything that is made of more than one fabric.
I didn't finish the bible when I attempted to read it (got bored), but I read an interesting book called Year of Living Biblically, which shows some really weird Old Testament sins.

before you can say things like that you need to know the background of the verse don't just read whats off the page.

leviticus is a set of legal rules--the priestly code. Obviously that doesn't apply to us. Do some research before assuming bud.

whenhen wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

whenhen wrote:Birth, or at least in the fetus.
We're all going to hell anyways if the bible is literally interpreted.

please read it before assuming crap.

Leviticus 19:19 basically says that if you wear any non pure fabric, that is a sin. So that tech shirt you have is sinful. So too is that pair of jeans or even anything that is made of more than one fabric.
I didn't finish the bible when I attempted to read it (got bored), but I read an interesting book called Year of Living Biblically, which shows some really weird Old Testament sins.

OBVIOUSLY. if you think you will go to hell for all that then you obviously skipped THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT.

BA_Sadie. wrote:leviticus is a set of legal rules--the priestly code. Obviously that doesn't apply to us. Do some research before assuming bud.

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