Gay by choice or birth?

Ya it seems like you are for the most part...but since it looked like you were debating with eachother, I figured I would take the side of one or the other... I'm still not sure if you guys were even taking different sides on the subject or not though lol.

Dude, I don't even know what side I'm on. Percocet has scrambled my brain. I really need to just stop typing.

In all honesty, though, I think that if you're in a safe, monogamous relationship and you happen to be gay, that's your business. I won't condemn you for it, and I won't treat you any differently for it. Whether God condemns those who are biologically gay and act on that orientation, I couldn't say, nor do I feel qualified to make that judgement.

And we have to keep in mind that God doesn't condemn ANYONE who believes in Jesus, even sexually active gay people.

Hitler believed in Jesus Christ, I would like to believe if there is a god, he is burning in hell

Kugar wrote:

Pinthin: I don't happen to think that it's a choice either. But molesting little boys is more than just homosexuality--it's rooted to a psychological problem and abusive nature. Most gays don't go around raping small children, and I don't think that's okay in God's eyes even if you are heterosexual.

I know thats why it was a two-part question =]

BagoXC25 wrote:And we have to keep in mind that God doesn't condemn ANYONE who believes in Jesus, even sexually active gay people.

some of your fellow christians seem to disagree.. you all need to get on the same page.

BagoXC25 wrote:Good thread. I'm on kugars side on this one. People can't control who they are physically attracted to, but they can control whether or not they have sex or not. I do have to say though that it would take immense self control not to have sex your entire life (unless you get married to a member of the opposite sex, some gays do this and have families.)

thats kinda sad how you cant be happy your whole life, just because a make-believe man doesnt like what your doing

Pinthin wrote:

Kugar wrote:

Pinthin: I don't happen to think that it's a choice either. But molesting little boys is more than just homosexuality--it's rooted to a psychological problem and abusive nature. Most gays don't go around raping small children, and I don't think that's okay in God's eyes even if you are heterosexual.

I know thats why it was a two-part question =]

So how are we to know, even in a case-by-case basis? You can't presume to know someone's heart, even using the Bible as guidance.

I really can't answer for all Christians--I am but a lowly Lutheran who's gone back to more traditional roots But I think I've expressed my somewhat muddled opinion (believe me, it will be different tomorrow morning once by brain clears up) already.

Kugar wrote:

Pinthin wrote:

Kugar wrote:

Pinthin: I don't happen to think that it's a choice either. But molesting little boys is more than just homosexuality--it's rooted to a psychological problem and abusive nature. Most gays don't go around raping small children, and I don't think that's okay in God's eyes even if you are heterosexual.

I know thats why it was a two-part question =]

So how are we to know, even in a case-by-case basis? You can't presume to know someone's heart, even using the Bible as guidance.

I really can't answer for all Christians--I am but a lowly Lutheran who's gone back to more traditional roots But I think I've expressed my somewhat muddled opinion (believe me, it will be different tomorrow morning once by brain clears up) already.

I know you already answered the question for me..lol maybe you should wait till tomorrow.

Pinthin wrote:

Kugar wrote:

Pinthin wrote:

Kugar wrote:

Pinthin: I don't happen to think that it's a choice either. But molesting little boys is more than just homosexuality--it's rooted to a psychological problem and abusive nature. Most gays don't go around raping small children, and I don't think that's okay in God's eyes even if you are heterosexual.

I know thats why it was a two-part question =]

So how are we to know, even in a case-by-case basis? You can't presume to know someone's heart, even using the Bible as guidance.

I really can't answer for all Christians--I am but a lowly Lutheran who's gone back to more traditional roots But I think I've expressed my somewhat muddled opinion (believe me, it will be different tomorrow morning once by brain clears up) already.

I know you already answered the question for me..lol maybe you should wait till tomorrow.

Dammit.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I quit.

yeah maybe we both should, because now I think i'm confused

Pinthin wrote:yeah maybe we both should, because now I think i'm confused

Haha.

I think we all agree.

Which is weird, because we've been debating for so long.

Lets be real, the bible was created to make people follow law by morals instead of law. The bible interprets homosexuality as a sin, it doesn't denounce it as one. God has never stated it, merely deciples. If you've ever listened to someone with an iota of more brain intelligence than your average redneck you would realize that homosexuality is chemical, not mental. Offsets of hormones and estrogen. The only choice in homosexuality is giving in to the pressure of constant fear of rejection and banishment. Saying it is purely mental is like saying the effect of drugs, OTC or illegal, are all in your head: you choose to let the drugs take control of you.

SourWorms wrote:Hitler believed in Jesus Christ, I would like to believe if there is a god, he is burning in hell

I can't answer your question because I already explained to you that only God has the right to judge. We will find out in 100 years or so about Hitlers fate.

SourWorms wrote:Hitler believed in Jesus Christ, I would like to believe if there is a god, he is burning in hell

I agree with Bago, only God can judge, but I'd guess he burning in the fire that is purgatory. One year for every life he took.

CT Track wrote:Lets be real, the bible was created to make people follow law by morals instead of law. The bible interprets homosexuality as a sin, it doesn't denounce it as one. God has never stated it, merely deciples. If you've ever listened to someone with an iota of more brain intelligence than your average redneck you would realize that homosexuality is chemical, not mental. Offsets of hormones and estrogen. The only choice in homosexuality is giving in to the pressure of constant fear of rejection and banishment. Saying it is purely mental is like saying the effect of drugs, OTC or illegal, are all in your head: you choose to let the drugs take control of you.

... thats basically what I said ^ just not as detailed.

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

SourWorms wrote:Hitler believed in Jesus Christ, I would like to believe if there is a god, he is burning in hell

I agree with Bago, only God can judge, but I'd guess he burning in the fire that is purgatory. One year for every life he took.

I was thinking the same thing haha (minus the one year for every life, just the fact that he will be there awhile...)

How do you choose to be attracted to someone??

no

I definitely did not choose to be gay.

Does this end the thread?

really or just kidding??

You guys don't remember him from RW?

not really.. haha

I never go there anymore

Pinthin wrote:not really.. haha

I never go there anymore

He was there before this site was made. =/

FinishingKick wrote:

Pinthin wrote:not really.. haha

I never go there anymore

He was there before this site was made. =/

I just thought I'd add the last part..lol