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    Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

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    Post by Phuckduck Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:09 pm

    FK wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
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    FK wrote:Tracko, those were great links.

    not really, all but one was a religious based organization.
    Can you come up with a rebuttal to them? Until then they are good links.

    How can I come up with a rebuttal to someone who thinks that a man in the sky created everything? There is no rebuttal that I haven't already said. The science has proven that there is a natural cause for everything, but some people still choose not to believe it.
    I meant the fallacies in C-14 dating.

    That is someone who believes there were fallacies in C-14 dating. Because two scientists said that there was coal around the paintings. That sucks, and obviously pure carbon is going to throw of C-14 dating! It did not say that the findings were necessarily false, but because of the presence of the coal, there was no sure way to tell and thus could not be presented as fact.
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    Post by FinishingKick Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:09 pm

    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    FK wrote:
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    except for the fact that you are telling them about the gospel which if you accept it will give you eternal life in heaven
    Yeah. (insert Bible quote that refers to that but I can't remember the exact words here)
    somethig along the lines of: What is the point of gaining the whole world and then losing your soul?
    It's like "those who are hungry will be fed."
    In heaven, but what does that do for those kids who are dying terrible deaths on earth
    A life on earth is temporary, a life in heaven is forever.
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    Post by Trackaholic Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:10 pm

    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

    I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.
    if religion isn't important to you, what is?

    Starving kids in Africa
    The Environment
    Animal Cruelty
    The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
    Extremism

    The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

    OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
    IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

    I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

    Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

    We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

    And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

    What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? sounded like you were sayingthat starving kids in africa are more important than this, so he said you're not doing anythig about it

    I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am you is a runner

    , what I do you run

    , etc.

    If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit. because that's exactly the same as what he said

    Till then..STFU
    [/b][b] and watch the language.

    He was asking me to do something that is extreme and obviously impossible so I suggested that he do something that relates to his beliefs but to an extreme extent.

    Running isn't my entire life

    I am sorry for my language

    it isnt extreme and impossible, if you care so much about the starving children. Sell everything you own, donate all the money you make to charities concerned with them, and then go join a missionary in africa to help feed and clothe them.

    Its not actually that hard if you think about it.
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    Post by Phuckduck Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:10 pm

    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    FK wrote:
    mae2937 wrote:
    except for the fact that you are telling them about the gospel which if you accept it will give you eternal life in heaven
    Yeah. (insert Bible quote that refers to that but I can't remember the exact words here)
    somethig along the lines of: What is the point of gaining the whole world and then losing your soul?
    It's like "those who are hungry will be fed."
    In heaven, but what does that do for those kids who are dying terrible deaths on earth
    that's what we gotta fix. but through it all, they can still come to God.

    WHY DOESN'T GOD FIX IT THEN IF HE IS SO EFFING POWERFUL??
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    Post by Phuckduck Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:11 pm

    FK wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    FK wrote:
    mae2937 wrote:
    except for the fact that you are telling them about the gospel which if you accept it will give you eternal life in heaven
    Yeah. (insert Bible quote that refers to that but I can't remember the exact words here)
    somethig along the lines of: What is the point of gaining the whole world and then losing your soul?
    It's like "those who are hungry will be fed."
    In heaven, but what does that do for those kids who are dying terrible deaths on earth
    A life on earth is temporary, a life in heaven is forever.

    do you actually believe in heaven as a place? like an actual tangible place
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    Post by Trackaholic Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:12 pm

    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:Tracko, those were great links.

    not really, all but one was a religious based organization.
    Can you come up with a rebuttal to them? Until then they are good links.

    How can I come up with a rebuttal to someone who thinks that a man in the sky created everything? There is no rebuttal that I haven't already said. The science has proven that there is a natural cause for everything, but some people still choose not to believe it.
    I meant the fallacies in C-14 dating.

    That is someone who believes there were fallacies in C-14 dating. Because two scientists said that there was coal around the paintings. That sucks, and obviously pure carbon is going to throw of C-14 dating! It did not say that the findings were necessarily false, but because of the presence of the coal, there was no sure way to tell and thus could not be presented as fact.

    thats just one example sour wroms, I simply typed in "carbon dating faulty" into gooogle and got billions of results, I could go on posting links like those for eternity if I wanted to.
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    Post by FinishingKick Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:13 pm

    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:Tracko, those were great links.

    not really, all but one was a religious based organization.
    Can you come up with a rebuttal to them? Until then they are good links.

    How can I come up with a rebuttal to someone who thinks that a man in the sky created everything? There is no rebuttal that I haven't already said. The science has proven that there is a natural cause for everything, but some people still choose not to believe it.
    I meant the fallacies in C-14 dating.

    That is someone who believes there were fallacies in C-14 dating. Because two scientists said that there was coal around the paintings. That sucks, and obviously pure carbon is going to throw of C-14 dating! It did not say that the findings were necessarily false, but because of the presence of the coal, there was no sure way to tell and thus could not be presented as fact.
    Did you read the same thing I read?

    Carbon-14 dating is the standard method used by scientists to determine the age of certain fossilized remains. As scientists will often claim something to be millions or billions of years old (ages that do not conform to the Biblical account of the age of the earth), Christians are often left wondering about the accuracy of the carbon-14 method. The truth is, carbon-14 dating (or radiocarbon dating, as it’s also called) is not a precise dating method in many cases, due to faulty assumptions and other limitations on this method.

    Carbon has a weight of twelve atomic mass units (AMU’s), and is the building block of all organic matter (plants and animals). A small percentage of carbon atoms have an atomic weight of 14 AMU’s. This is carbon-14. Carbon-14 is an unstable, radioactive isotope of carbon 12. As with any radioactive isotope, carbon-14 decays over time. The half-life of carbon 14 is approximate 5,730 years. That means if you took one pound of 100 percent carbon-14, in 5,730 years, you would only have half a pound left.

    Carbon-14 is created in the upper atmosphere as nitrogen atoms are bombarded by cosmic radiation. For every one trillion carbon-12 atoms, you will find one carbon-14 atoms. The carbon-14 that results from the reaction caused by cosmic radiation quickly changes to carbon dioxide, just like normal carbon-12 would. Plants utilize, or “breath in” carbon dioxide, then ultimately release oxygen for animals to inhale. The carbon-14 dioxide is utilized by plants in the same way normal carbon dioxide is. This carbon-14 dioxide then ends up in humans and other animals as it moves up the food chain.

    There is then a ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12 in the bodies of plants, humans, and other animals that can fluctuate, but will be fixed at the time of death. After death, the carbon-14 would begin to decay at the rate stated above. In 1948, Dr. W.F. Libby introduced the carbon-14 dating method at the University of Chicago. The premise behind the method is to determine the ratio of carbon-14 left in organic matter, and by doing so, estimate how long ago death occurred by running the ratio backwards. The accuracy of this method, however, relies on several faulty assumptions.

    First, for carbon-14 dating to be accurate, one must assume the rate of decay of carbon-14 has remained constant over the years. However, evidence indicates that the opposite is true. Experiments have been performed using the radioactive isotopes of uranium-238 and iron-57, and have shown that rates can and do vary. In fact, changing the environments surrounding the samples can alter decay rates.

    The second faulty assumption is that the rate of carbon-14 formation has remained constant over the years. There are a few reasons to believe this assumption is erroneous. The industrial revolution greatly increased the amount of carbon-12 released into the atmosphere through the burning of coal. Also, the atomic bomb testing around 1950 caused a rise in neutrons, which increased carbon-14 concentrations. The great flood which Noah and family survived would have uprooted and/or buried entire forests. This would decrease the release of carbon-12 to the atmosphere through the decay of vegetation.

    Third, for carbon-14 dating to be accurate, the concentrations of carbon-14 and carbon-12 must have remained constant in the atmosphere. In addition to the reasons mentioned in the previous paragraph, the flood provides another evidence that this is a faulty assumption. During the flood, subterranean water chambers that were under great pressure would have been breached. This would have resulted in an enormous amount of carbon-12 being released into the oceans and atmosphere. The effect would be not unlike opening a can of soda and having the carbon dioxide fizzing out. The water in these subterranean chambers would not have contained carbon-14, as the water was shielded from cosmic radiation. This would have upset the ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12.

    To make carbon-14 dating work, Dr. Libby also assumed that the amount of carbon-14 being presently produced had equaled the amount of carbon-12 – he assumed that they had reached a balance. The formation of carbon-14 increases with time, and at the time of creation was probably at or near zero. Since carbon-14 is radioactive, it begins to decay immediately as it’s formed. If you start with no carbon-14 in the atmosphere, it would take over 50,000 years for the amount being produced to reach equilibrium with the amount decaying. One of the reasons we know that the earth is less than 50,000 years old is because of the biblical record. Another reason we can know this is because the amount of carbon-14 in the atmosphere is only 78% what it would be if the earth were old.

    Finally, Dr. Libby and the evolutionist crowd have assumed that all plant and animal life utilize carbon-14 equally as they do carbon-12. To be grammatically crass, this ain’t necessarily so. Live mollusks off the Hawaiian coast have had their shells dated with the carbon-14 method. These test showed that the shells died 2000 years ago! This news came as quite a shock to the mollusks that had been using those shells until just recently.

    We’ve listed five faulty assumptions here that have caused overestimates of age using the carbon-14 method. The list of non-compliant dates from this method is endless. Most evolutionists today would conclude that carbon-14 dating is – at best – reliable for only the last 3000 to 3500 years. There is another reason that carbon-14 dating has yielded questionable results – human bias.

    If you’ve ever been part of a medical study, you’re probably familiar with the terms “blind study” and “double-blind study”. In a blind study, using carbon-14 dating for example, a person would send in a few quality control samples along with the actual sample to the laboratory. The laboratory analyst should not know which sample is the one of interest. In this way, the analyst could not introduce bias into the dating of the actual sample. In a double-blind study (using an experimental drug study as an example), some patients will be given the experimental drug, while others will be given a placebo (a harmless sugar pill). Neither the patients nor the doctors while know who gets what. This provides an added layer of protection against bias.

    Radiocarbon dates that do not fit a desired theory are often excluded by alleging cross-contamination of the sample. In this manner, an evolutionist can present a sample for analysis, and tell the laboratory that he assumes the sample to be somewhere between 50,000 years old and 100,000 years old. Dates that do not conform to this estimate are thrown out. Repeated testing of the sample may show nine tests that indicate an age of 5000 to 10,000 years old, and one test that shows an age of 65,000 years old. The nine results showing ages that do not conform to the pre-supposed theory are excluded. This is bad science, and it is practiced all the time to fit with the evolutionary model.

    The Shroud of Turin, claimed to be the burial cloth of Christ, was supposedly dated by a blind test. Actually, the control specimens were so dissimilar that the technicians at the three laboratories making the measurements could easily tell which specimen was from the Shroud. This would be like taking a piece of wood and two marbles and submitting them to the lab with the instructions that “one of these is from an ancient ponderosa pine, guess which.” The test would have been blind if the specimens had been reduced to carbon powder before they were given to the testing laboratories. Humans are naturally biased. We tend to see what we want to see, and explain away unwanted data.

    Perhaps the best description of the problem in attempting to use the Carbon-14 dating method is to be found in the words of Dr. Robert Lee. In 1981, he wrote an article for the Anthropological Journal of Canada, in which stated:

    "The troubles of the radiocarbon dating method are undeniably deep and serious. Despite 35 years of technological refinement and better understanding, the underlying assumptions have been strongly challenged, and warnings are out that radiocarbon may soon find itself in a crisis situation. Continuing use of the method depends on a fix-it-as-we-go approach, allowing for contamination here, fractionation there, and calibration whenever possible. It should be no surprise then, that fully half of the dates are rejected. The wonder is, surely, that the remaining half has come to be accepted…. No matter how useful it is, though, the radiocarbon method is still not capable of yielding accurate and reliable results. There are gross discrepancies, the chronology is uneven and relative, and the accepted dates are actually the selected dates.”

    The accuracy of carbon-14 dating relies on faulty assumptions, and is subject to human bias. At best, radiocarbon dating is only accurate for the past few thousand years. As we’ve seen though, even relatively youthful samples are often dated incorrectly. The Biblical record gives us an indication of an earth that is relatively young. The most reliable use of radiocarbon dating supports that position. This method of dating, overall, tends to be as faulty and ill conceived as the evolutionary model that is was designed to support.
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    Post by AudienceOfOne Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:14 pm

    Trackaholic wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

    I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.
    if religion isn't important to you, what is?

    Starving kids in Africa
    The Environment
    Animal Cruelty
    The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
    Extremism

    The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

    OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
    IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

    I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

    Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

    We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

    And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

    What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am, what I do, etc.

    If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit.

    Till then..STFU

    Oh that makes sense, go blow up and kill people in abortion clinic because your opposed to killing people.

    The whole point of my post was that YOU were insinuating that you were the "big man" concerned with "real" issues while everyone else here debating was wasting their time debating "trivial" issues.

    Well I personally believe a persons faith, beliefs, and or convictions DEFINES them for who tehy are, and if a man won't fight for his faith, beliefs, and or convictions, what kind of person are they? A soulless, convictionless one that only concerns himself with universal beliefs (that starving children in africa is wrong, I am pretty sure EVERYONE agrees with that) but does not take the time to pursue personal beliefs(god, athiesm, etc).

    EVERYONE HERE IS JUST AS CONCERNED WITH THOSE ISSUES AS YOU ARE JUST BECAUSE. Only, not everyone here uses those issues as an EXCUSE to not debate his beliefs like YOU do. You are using the premise of starving children in africa as the reason you are unable to debate your beliefs! What? does the idea that children are starving in africa make you so emotionally unstable that you cannot coherently debate with us?

    Or are you simply TO GOOD to debate with us? because your all high and mighty and concerned about the enviroment.

    cause thats how you came off.

    You obviously do not care about your beliefs, ideals, convictions, and or faith enough to fight for them. so you try and use starving children in africa as an excuse not to. real nice.

    your just a bloody coward is all.
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    Post by FinishingKick Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:14 pm

    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    FK wrote:
    mae2937 wrote:
    except for the fact that you are telling them about the gospel which if you accept it will give you eternal life in heaven
    Yeah. (insert Bible quote that refers to that but I can't remember the exact words here)
    somethig along the lines of: What is the point of gaining the whole world and then losing your soul?
    It's like "those who are hungry will be fed."
    In heaven, but what does that do for those kids who are dying terrible deaths on earth
    A life on earth is temporary, a life in heaven is forever.

    do you actually believe in heaven as a place? like an actual tangible place
    I don't know if you can call it tangible, it depends on whether or not you think your soul could touch something.
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    Post by Trackaholic Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:15 pm

    FK wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:Tracko, those were great links.

    not really, all but one was a religious based organization.
    Can you come up with a rebuttal to them? Until then they are good links.

    exactly, you cant ignore them simply because they are part of a religous organization, thats bais.
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    Post by Just Because Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:15 pm

    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

    I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.
    if religion isn't important to you, what is?

    Starving kids in Africa
    The Environment
    Animal Cruelty
    The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
    Extremism

    The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

    OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
    IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

    I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

    Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

    We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

    And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

    What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? sounded like you were sayingthat starving kids in africa are more important than this, so he said you're not doing anythig about it

    I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am you is a runner

    , what I do you run

    , etc.

    If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit. because that's exactly the same as what he said

    Till then..STFU
    [/b][b] and watch the language.

    He was asking me to do something that is extreme and obviously impossible so I suggested that he do something that relates to his beliefs but to an extreme extent.

    Running isn't my entire life

    I am sorry for my language
    how is it impossible? i might go into the missionary business when i get older, it's not impossible.


    Tracko was talking about right now. Obviously it would next to impossible for me to drop everything I'm doing and spend a year in Africa.
    I am calm. I have no problems with anyone including Tracko. Very Happy
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    Post by AudienceOfOne Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:17 pm

    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    FK wrote:
    mae2937 wrote:
    except for the fact that you are telling them about the gospel which if you accept it will give you eternal life in heaven
    Yeah. (insert Bible quote that refers to that but I can't remember the exact words here)
    somethig along the lines of: What is the point of gaining the whole world and then losing your soul?
    It's like "those who are hungry will be fed."
    In heaven, but what does that do for those kids who are dying terrible deaths on earth
    A life on earth is temporary, a life in heaven is forever.

    do you actually believe in heaven as a place? like an actual tangible place
    that's a good question. obviously your body wouldn't go there, just the soul, so as an actual tangible place like what the earth is, i wold say no.
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    Post by AudienceOfOne Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:19 pm

    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

    I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.
    if religion isn't important to you, what is?

    Starving kids in Africa
    The Environment
    Animal Cruelty
    The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
    Extremism

    The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

    OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
    IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

    I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

    Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

    We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

    And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

    What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? sounded like you were sayingthat starving kids in africa are more important than this, so he said you're not doing anythig about it

    I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am you is a runner

    , what I do you run

    , etc.

    If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit. because that's exactly the same as what he said

    Till then..STFU
    [/b][b] and watch the language.

    He was asking me to do something that is extreme and obviously impossible so I suggested that he do something that relates to his beliefs but to an extreme extent.

    Running isn't my entire life

    I am sorry for my language
    how is it impossible? i might go into the missionary business when i get older, it's not impossible.


    Tracko was talking about right now. Obviously it would next to impossible for me to drop everything I'm doing and spend a year in Africa.
    I am calm. I have no problems with anyone including Tracko. Very Happy
    that's true, but if you work at it then you could get there.
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    Post by Trackaholic Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:20 pm

    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

    I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.
    if religion isn't important to you, what is?

    Starving kids in Africa
    The Environment
    Animal Cruelty
    The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
    Extremism

    The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

    OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
    IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

    I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

    Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

    We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

    And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

    What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? sounded like you were sayingthat starving kids in africa are more important than this, so he said you're not doing anythig about it

    I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am you is a runner

    , what I do you run

    , etc.

    If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit. because that's exactly the same as what he said

    Till then..STFU
    [/b][b] and watch the language.

    He was asking me to do something that is extreme and obviously impossible so I suggested that he do something that relates to his beliefs but to an extreme extent.

    Running isn't my entire life

    I am sorry for my language
    how is it impossible? i might go into the missionary business when i get older, it's not impossible.


    Tracko was talking about right now. Obviously it would next to impossible for me to drop everything I'm doing and spend a year in Africa.
    I am calm. I have no problems with anyone including Tracko. Very Happy

    Why is it impossible? concerned about your education and leaving your family? the children in africa barely have an education if at all. and alot of them are orphans.

    its not impossible, you just cant abandon the comforts of your life to go live like they do.
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    Post by Trackaholic Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:21 pm

    audience and FK I g2g, sorry to leave you hanging, ill be back on tommorow though.
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    Post by FinishingKick Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:21 pm

    Trackaholic wrote:audience and FK I g2g, sorry to leave you hanging, ill be back on tommorow though.
    salute
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    Post by AudienceOfOne Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:23 pm

    SourWorms wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    FK wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    FK wrote:
    mae2937 wrote:
    except for the fact that you are telling them about the gospel which if you accept it will give you eternal life in heaven
    Yeah. (insert Bible quote that refers to that but I can't remember the exact words here)
    somethig along the lines of: What is the point of gaining the whole world and then losing your soul?
    It's like "those who are hungry will be fed."
    In heaven, but what does that do for those kids who are dying terrible deaths on earth
    that's what we gotta fix. but through it all, they can still come to God.

    WHY DOESN'T GOD FIX IT THEN IF HE IS SO EFFING POWERFUL??
    everything fits in to His plan. they go through hard times for a reason. i know as humans that's hard for us to see, but it will all work out.
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    Post by AudienceOfOne Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:24 pm

    Trackaholic wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    AudienceOfOne wrote:
    Just Because wrote:
    Trackaholic wrote:Just because, If you dont believe your beliefs or convictions are firm enough to withstand our debate, if you dont believe you have the intellect to counter our arguments, then fine, go do important things somewhere important.

    I assure you that i have no problem keeping up to your level of intelligence. Just because I don't have the time to debate these issues in depth doesn't mean i don't have the capacity to do so. That being said, talk about something I deeply care about and you are sure to get quite a few more posts out of me. If not, then you will get a couple stating my opinion.
    if religion isn't important to you, what is?

    Starving kids in Africa
    The Environment
    Animal Cruelty
    The importance of honesty and integrity in positions of power/Role Model figure
    Extremism

    The only religion that i have issues with is Islam. The other major ones don't really matter to me.

    OH CUT THE SANCTIMONIUS BULLSHIT JUST BECAUSE.
    IM SORRY, I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE SUCH A CHARITABLE, SACRAFICING, SELFLESS,ALL AROUND LOVABLE GUY WHO LIKES TO GO AROUND KISSING BABIES AND FEEDING THE POOR.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me CHRISTIAN missionaries having be doing more to stop all of those issues than your probably ever will in your life. Did you send a dollar to the Operation Smile Just Because? Did you get your little envelope with a picture of kid smiling after you sent it? Are you always the first one to put your loose change into the salvation army troops collection baskets?

    I cant stand it when people try to pull the "I'm sorry I can't debate with you right now, im too busy crying over the poor starving children in africa!"

    Only when you go out to fucking africa yourself, only when you spend a YEAR living with those children in the same smelly huts and eating the same shitty food and going through all the same shit they do, then will I take that kind crap from you. Better yet? become a missionary! go feed those children! go build homes for them! Check back with me after you do that, then maybe will I take my hat off to you.

    We all feel for the starving kids in africa and the animals and the godamn enviroment, just because. your not a saint among heathens, dont act like it.

    And in the end, religon (not neccesarily christianity) plays a huge factor in all those issues anyway, save maybe for the enviroment.

    What are you talking about? When in my previous post did i ever say i deserved praise? sounded like you were sayingthat starving kids in africa are more important than this, so he said you're not doing anythig about it

    I listed a few issues that i care about. Why the fuck do you have to be a little bitch about everything I say? You have no idea who I am you is a runner

    , what I do you run

    , etc.

    If you want to play this little game then fine. Go blow up an abortion clinic. You don't want to? Then you don't give a shit. Spend a few years in Jail for your cause and then I will believe you to be more righteous you little piece of shit. because that's exactly the same as what he said

    Till then..STFU
    [/b][b] and watch the language.

    He was asking me to do something that is extreme and obviously impossible so I suggested that he do something that relates to his beliefs but to an extreme extent.

    Running isn't my entire life

    I am sorry for my language
    how is it impossible? i might go into the missionary business when i get older, it's not impossible.


    Tracko was talking about right now. Obviously it would next to impossible for me to drop everything I'm doing and spend a year in Africa.
    I am calm. I have no problems with anyone including Tracko. Very Happy

    Why is it impossible? concerned about your education and leaving your family? the children in africa barely have an education if at all. and alot of them are orphans.

    its not impossible, you just cant abandon the comforts of your life to go live like they do.
    "no one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is worthy of the kingdome of God."
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    Post by AudienceOfOne Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:25 pm

    Trackaholic wrote:audience and FK I g2g, sorry to leave you hanging, ill be back on tommorow though.
    ok.
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    woahh big quote train.
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    Post by Phuckduck Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:57 pm

    To the big quote up there:

    That article cannot be called credible. It says the Earth is only 50,000 years old. Are you serious? There is no possible way that the earth is that young. My mom was a geologist for many years and personally studied fossils that were millions of years old. Are you going to tell me that everything she studied is wrong?
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    Post by FinishingKick Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:44 pm

    SourWorms wrote:To the big quote up there:

    That article cannot be called credible. It says the Earth is only 50,000 years old. Are you serious? There is no possible way that the earth is that young. My mom was a geologist for many years and personally studied fossils that were millions of years old. Are you going to tell me that everything she studied is wrong?
    Millions of years old by carbon dating, which you have failed to refute.
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    Post by Pinthin Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:52 pm

    ^^ why do you religious folk not believe in carbon dating?? And just give it to me in a nutshell I dont want to read anything long. haha
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    Post by FinishingKick Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:55 pm

    Pinthin wrote:^^ why do you religious folk not believe in carbon dating?? And just give it to me in a nutshell I dont want to read anything long. haha
    I believe in evolution, but Trackaholic brought up a source that gives a bunch of reasons why carbon dating is inaccurate. JogMeHard (SourWorms) says that his mom studies fossils that are millions of years old. I told JMH that those fossils are millions of years old by means of carbon dating, and so he can't claim that they really are until he disclaims the source that says carbon dating is inaccurate.

    So in other words, I was helping the debate along, you'll have to ask someone else.
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    Post by Pinthin Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:00 pm

    To wasn't aimed at just you but thanks.

    This was another speed bump in my biology class =/ . When ever carbon dating was brought up the really religious kids would argue (my bio teacher loves to argue) ughh so I usually just took a snooze while my class time wasted away.. so I don't actually know why they don't like it. Almost all scientists agree with it..right?
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