Canada Versus America

Just Because wrote:

Adonai wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Adonai wrote:Let me analyze some of the most frequently used arguments by Canadians when attempting to demonstrate why Canada is greater than the U.S.:

1. Many Canadians use the "America bombs everyone/Canada is a peacekeeper" card. Yet, it is rare that the U.S. actually deploys a bomb, even when U.S. personel are the victims of bombings. For example, in response to the Beirut barracks bombings in Lebanon, it was the French, not the U.S., who responded with a large bomber strike on the Beqaa Valley. The U.S. is not quick to resort to bombs as a military stategy. Likewise, although the U.S. has about 5,500 nuclear warheads in stockpile (which I think is mostly a scare tactic), none have yet been deployed since the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Also, it is not as if Canada is this vast sleeping military force who refuses to use its power in order to hold peace. Canada couldn't maintain peace even if it wanted to.

2. I don't understand how having a population density of .039/sq. mi. is supposed to be one of Canada's positive points. Do you like being the only human being for 10s of miles in any direction? I don't know about you, but I do enjoy the occasional social gathering, particularily when I don't have to drive 20 miles to arrive there. Also, to expand upon the above point, it is not that Canada has miles and miles of unused territory that is a disadvantage, but that nearly 20% of its land is nearly unusable (Nunavut).

3. I think it would be pointless and redundant for me to go into the flaws of Canada's health care, but they are indeed extensive.

4. Although the U.S. does have several ignominious problems with its education system, it does manage a level of educational expertise not possible in many countries, including Canada. Consider the plethora of world-class universities: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and many, many more. Also consider the 100+ nobel prize winners, the world-renowned scientists, and the impeccable doctors and surgeons.

5. Canadians often proceed to argue that Canada is more free than the U.S. However, I seem to recall a period of several years when the Canadian government banned an obviously conservative program Fox News from the Canadian airwaves, while simultaneously sponsering public funding of clearly left-wing programs like CBC. Meanwhile, the U.S. continued to project both right and left-wing media to the general public. This is not to say the bipartisan nature of politics the U.S. media projects is a good thing, but at least the American people can be trusted with more than one perspective on political matters.


I don't even like the U.S. all that much, but it is certainly better than Canada.

1) When the U.S. was not making the gains it wanted in Iraq, Pres. Bush ordered a troop surge, a large one. How does this constitute a "held-back" America. You guys bomb targets in Iraq and Afgan. everyday, obviously not on the thousands of dead scale but it still does happen

2) When i previously raised this point, I was talking about over-crowding in schools and major cities.

3) Every system has problems, our two systems have different problems. I rather wait the extra time for a doctor and get my leg fixed then not being able to see him/her at all because i can't afford it.

4) You have a superior post-secondary system but below that level, there are serious problems. Do remember that you guys have 10x the population we do, so you would have a larger pool of people who have experienced success. On the flip side of that, there are a lot of people, many more then Canada, who have fallen through the cracks of your education system.

5) No one ever makes the point that we are more free. We both have censorship and regulations on business. While the programming on Fox is bad, I am able to watch it.

1. Fool. I never described a "held-back" America. Your initial statement was that the U.S. "bombs the shit out of people." Can you name targets that have been bombed in the last few months? I would be surprised if you could. I don't think you really know if the U.S. has even dropped a single bomb in the last year. But, it is an assertion of the ignorant that a bomb is dropped every day. Regardless, we are at war with Iraq/Afghanistan, so I would say to use a weapon on these countries would not be outside the realm of rationality.

2. Overcrowding is a highly exaggerated, truly nonexistant problem in the vast majority of the U.S. I am sure certain areas in Canada (i.e. Toronto) have equivalent problems with overcrowding.

3. Universal health care, like all socialist programs, looks great on paper, but the reality is otherwise.

4. Yes, thank you for repeating what I had just said, in addition to that vague metaphor which tells me nothing. Also, you are essentially saying that the production and success of a country should be measured relative to its population. So, since we have more people, our achievments are worth less? What a foolish assertion!

5. Now you are able to watch Fox. But, there was a period of time in which this conservative program was censored from Canadian airwaves. At least you are aware of your country's slightly oppressed state.

1. You made the inference that while the States has a large amount of WMD's, (yes, Nuclear warheads do count) but chooses not to use them. This is the held back American i refered to. You admit that you are using bombs on Iraq and Afganistan, when in fact you are not at war against them, but with them, against rebels opposed to the government.

2. Population density of New York (your largest city) 26,403 people per square mile. Population density of Toronto (our largest city) 10,287.4/sq mi. I would say that is a lot more crowded

3. The same can be said about the insurance system in the States

4. To Illustrate my point, an example: If i passed 4 tests during the school year that is good. If there were over 100 tests given then those 4 tests don't look so impressive.

5. Fox sucks but I am able to watch it. It was never "banned'. They were refused a license in favour of Rogers (a Canadian Company) This was done in order to promote Rogers. It was never an issue of Censorship. And you guys do have censorship just the same as us. You have the FCC and We have the CRTC

FK: I never said that I am against teaching everyone. I said that for everyone Nobel Prize winner, there are thousands more who fall through the cracks of the education system.

FinishingKick wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Adonai wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Adonai wrote:Let me analyze some of the most frequently used arguments by Canadians when attempting to demonstrate why Canada is greater than the U.S.:

1. Many Canadians use the "America bombs everyone/Canada is a peacekeeper" card. Yet, it is rare that the U.S. actually deploys a bomb, even when U.S. personel are the victims of bombings. For example, in response to the Beirut barracks bombings in Lebanon, it was the French, not the U.S., who responded with a large bomber strike on the Beqaa Valley. The U.S. is not quick to resort to bombs as a military stategy. Likewise, although the U.S. has about 5,500 nuclear warheads in stockpile (which I think is mostly a scare tactic), none have yet been deployed since the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Also, it is not as if Canada is this vast sleeping military force who refuses to use its power in order to hold peace. Canada couldn't maintain peace even if it wanted to.

2. I don't understand how having a population density of .039/sq. mi. is supposed to be one of Canada's positive points. Do you like being the only human being for 10s of miles in any direction? I don't know about you, but I do enjoy the occasional social gathering, particularily when I don't have to drive 20 miles to arrive there. Also, to expand upon the above point, it is not that Canada has miles and miles of unused territory that is a disadvantage, but that nearly 20% of its land is nearly unusable (Nunavut).

3. I think it would be pointless and redundant for me to go into the flaws of Canada's health care, but they are indeed extensive.

4. Although the U.S. does have several ignominious problems with its education system, it does manage a level of educational expertise not possible in many countries, including Canada. Consider the plethora of world-class universities: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and many, many more. Also consider the 100+ nobel prize winners, the world-renowned scientists, and the impeccable doctors and surgeons.

5. Canadians often proceed to argue that Canada is more free than the U.S. However, I seem to recall a period of several years when the Canadian government banned an obviously conservative program Fox News from the Canadian airwaves, while simultaneously sponsering public funding of clearly left-wing programs like CBC. Meanwhile, the U.S. continued to project both right and left-wing media to the general public. This is not to say the bipartisan nature of politics the U.S. media projects is a good thing, but at least the American people can be trusted with more than one perspective on political matters.


I don't even like the U.S. all that much, but it is certainly better than Canada.

1) When the U.S. was not making the gains it wanted in Iraq, Pres. Bush ordered a troop surge, a large one. How does this constitute a "held-back" America. You guys bomb targets in Iraq and Afgan. everyday, obviously not on the thousands of dead scale but it still does happen

2) When i previously raised this point, I was talking about over-crowding in schools and major cities.

3) Every system has problems, our two systems have different problems. I rather wait the extra time for a doctor and get my leg fixed then not being able to see him/her at all because i can't afford it.

4) You have a superior post-secondary system but below that level, there are serious problems. Do remember that you guys have 10x the population we do, so you would have a larger pool of people who have experienced success. On the flip side of that, there are a lot of people, many more then Canada, who have fallen through the cracks of your education system.

5) No one ever makes the point that we are more free. We both have censorship and regulations on business. While the programming on Fox is bad, I am able to watch it.

1. Fool. I never described a "held-back" America. Your initial statement was that the U.S. "bombs the shit out of people." Can you name targets that have been bombed in the last few months? I would be surprised if you could. I don't think you really know if the U.S. has even dropped a single bomb in the last year. But, it is an assertion of the ignorant that a bomb is dropped every day. Regardless, we are at war with Iraq/Afghanistan, so I would say to use a weapon on these countries would not be outside the realm of rationality.

2. Overcrowding is a highly exaggerated, truly nonexistant problem in the vast majority of the U.S. I am sure certain areas in Canada (i.e. Toronto) have equivalent problems with overcrowding.

3. Universal health care, like all socialist programs, looks great on paper, but the reality is otherwise.

4. Yes, thank you for repeating what I had just said, in addition to that vague metaphor which tells me nothing. Also, you are essentially saying that the production and success of a country should be measured relative to its population. So, since we have more people, our achievments are worth less? What a foolish assertion!

5. Now you are able to watch Fox. But, there was a period of time in which this conservative program was censored from Canadian airwaves. At least you are aware of your country's slightly oppressed state.

1. You made the inference that while the States has a large amount of WMD's, (yes, Nuclear warheads do count) but chooses not to use them. This is the held back American i refered to. You admit that you are using bombs on Iraq and Afganistan, when in fact you are not at war against them, but with them, against rebels opposed to the government.

2. Population density of New York (your largest city) 26,403 people per square mile. Population density of Toronto (our largest city) 10,287.4/sq mi. I would say that is a lot more crowded

3. The same can be said about the insurance system in the States

4. To Illustrate my point, an example: If i passed 4 tests during the school year that is good. If there were over 100 tests given then those 4 tests don't look so impressive.

5. Fox sucks but I am able to watch it. It was never "banned'. They were refused a license in favour of Rogers (a Canadian Company) This was done in order to promote Rogers. It was never an issue of Censorship. And you guys do have censorship just the same as us. You have the FCC and We have the CRTC

FK: I never said that I am against teaching everyone. I said that for everyone Nobel Prize winner, there are thousands more who fall through the cracks of the education system.

1. I'm pretty sure we're not just randomly bombing Iraqi cities. Those are targeted at rebels.

2. You don't have to live in a big city if you don't want to. In America you can live in uncrowded areas with the exact geography of Canada's (Alaska), or you can live in a big city. Those choices are limited when Canada's largest cities are a lot smaller than those in the United States. Plus the US has more small, medium, and semi-larges cities to choose from.

On education, you can't force kids to want to learn. The more people you have, the more there will be that refuse education and fall through the cracks of the system. If you don't want this to happen, you can't teach them in the first place, and therefore I came to the conclusion you replied to above.

Just Because wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Adonai wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Adonai wrote:Let me analyze some of the most frequently used arguments by Canadians when attempting to demonstrate why Canada is greater than the U.S.:

1. Many Canadians use the "America bombs everyone/Canada is a peacekeeper" card. Yet, it is rare that the U.S. actually deploys a bomb, even when U.S. personel are the victims of bombings. For example, in response to the Beirut barracks bombings in Lebanon, it was the French, not the U.S., who responded with a large bomber strike on the Beqaa Valley. The U.S. is not quick to resort to bombs as a military stategy. Likewise, although the U.S. has about 5,500 nuclear warheads in stockpile (which I think is mostly a scare tactic), none have yet been deployed since the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Also, it is not as if Canada is this vast sleeping military force who refuses to use its power in order to hold peace. Canada couldn't maintain peace even if it wanted to.

2. I don't understand how having a population density of .039/sq. mi. is supposed to be one of Canada's positive points. Do you like being the only human being for 10s of miles in any direction? I don't know about you, but I do enjoy the occasional social gathering, particularily when I don't have to drive 20 miles to arrive there. Also, to expand upon the above point, it is not that Canada has miles and miles of unused territory that is a disadvantage, but that nearly 20% of its land is nearly unusable (Nunavut).

3. I think it would be pointless and redundant for me to go into the flaws of Canada's health care, but they are indeed extensive.

4. Although the U.S. does have several ignominious problems with its education system, it does manage a level of educational expertise not possible in many countries, including Canada. Consider the plethora of world-class universities: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and many, many more. Also consider the 100+ nobel prize winners, the world-renowned scientists, and the impeccable doctors and surgeons.

5. Canadians often proceed to argue that Canada is more free than the U.S. However, I seem to recall a period of several years when the Canadian government banned an obviously conservative program Fox News from the Canadian airwaves, while simultaneously sponsering public funding of clearly left-wing programs like CBC. Meanwhile, the U.S. continued to project both right and left-wing media to the general public. This is not to say the bipartisan nature of politics the U.S. media projects is a good thing, but at least the American people can be trusted with more than one perspective on political matters.


I don't even like the U.S. all that much, but it is certainly better than Canada.

1) When the U.S. was not making the gains it wanted in Iraq, Pres. Bush ordered a troop surge, a large one. How does this constitute a "held-back" America. You guys bomb targets in Iraq and Afgan. everyday, obviously not on the thousands of dead scale but it still does happen

2) When i previously raised this point, I was talking about over-crowding in schools and major cities.

3) Every system has problems, our two systems have different problems. I rather wait the extra time for a doctor and get my leg fixed then not being able to see him/her at all because i can't afford it.

4) You have a superior post-secondary system but below that level, there are serious problems. Do remember that you guys have 10x the population we do, so you would have a larger pool of people who have experienced success. On the flip side of that, there are a lot of people, many more then Canada, who have fallen through the cracks of your education system.

5) No one ever makes the point that we are more free. We both have censorship and regulations on business. While the programming on Fox is bad, I am able to watch it.

1. Fool. I never described a "held-back" America. Your initial statement was that the U.S. "bombs the shit out of people." Can you name targets that have been bombed in the last few months? I would be surprised if you could. I don't think you really know if the U.S. has even dropped a single bomb in the last year. But, it is an assertion of the ignorant that a bomb is dropped every day. Regardless, we are at war with Iraq/Afghanistan, so I would say to use a weapon on these countries would not be outside the realm of rationality.

2. Overcrowding is a highly exaggerated, truly nonexistant problem in the vast majority of the U.S. I am sure certain areas in Canada (i.e. Toronto) have equivalent problems with overcrowding.

3. Universal health care, like all socialist programs, looks great on paper, but the reality is otherwise.

4. Yes, thank you for repeating what I had just said, in addition to that vague metaphor which tells me nothing. Also, you are essentially saying that the production and success of a country should be measured relative to its population. So, since we have more people, our achievments are worth less? What a foolish assertion!

5. Now you are able to watch Fox. But, there was a period of time in which this conservative program was censored from Canadian airwaves. At least you are aware of your country's slightly oppressed state.

1. You made the inference that while the States has a large amount of WMD's, (yes, Nuclear warheads do count) but chooses not to use them. This is the held back American i refered to. You admit that you are using bombs on Iraq and Afganistan, when in fact you are not at war against them, but with them, against rebels opposed to the government.

2. Population density of New York (your largest city) 26,403 people per square mile. Population density of Toronto (our largest city) 10,287.4/sq mi. I would say that is a lot more crowded

3. The same can be said about the insurance system in the States

4. To Illustrate my point, an example: If i passed 4 tests during the school year that is good. If there were over 100 tests given then those 4 tests don't look so impressive.

5. Fox sucks but I am able to watch it. It was never "banned'. They were refused a license in favour of Rogers (a Canadian Company) This was done in order to promote Rogers. It was never an issue of Censorship. And you guys do have censorship just the same as us. You have the FCC and We have the CRTC

FK: I never said that I am against teaching everyone. I said that for everyone Nobel Prize winner, there are thousands more who fall through the cracks of the education system.

1. I'm pretty sure we're not just randomly bombing Iraqi cities. Those are targeted at rebels.

2. You don't have to live in a big city if you don't want to. In America you can live in uncrowded areas with the exact geography of Canada's (Alaska), or you can live in a big city. Those choices are limited when Canada's largest cities are a lot smaller than those in the United States. Plus the US has more small, medium, and semi-larges cities to choose from.

On education, you can't force kids to want to learn. The more people you have, the more there will be that refuse education and fall through the cracks of the system. If you don't want this to happen, you can't teach them in the first place, and therefore I came to the conclusion you replied to above.

1. I didn't make the point that you guys were bombing random targets. While, according to both sides, you do kill the intended target sometimes. You kill thousands of innoccent civilians in addition. (that is in total, not per attack)

2. Immigrants (for example) Do because that is where they are more likely to get a job and some form of housing

3?: good point but I am saying you can't say that you teach everyone when you don't.

FinishingKick wrote:

Just Because wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Adonai wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Adonai wrote:Let me analyze some of the most frequently used arguments by Canadians when attempting to demonstrate why Canada is greater than the U.S.:

1. Many Canadians use the "America bombs everyone/Canada is a peacekeeper" card. Yet, it is rare that the U.S. actually deploys a bomb, even when U.S. personel are the victims of bombings. For example, in response to the Beirut barracks bombings in Lebanon, it was the French, not the U.S., who responded with a large bomber strike on the Beqaa Valley. The U.S. is not quick to resort to bombs as a military stategy. Likewise, although the U.S. has about 5,500 nuclear warheads in stockpile (which I think is mostly a scare tactic), none have yet been deployed since the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Also, it is not as if Canada is this vast sleeping military force who refuses to use its power in order to hold peace. Canada couldn't maintain peace even if it wanted to.

2. I don't understand how having a population density of .039/sq. mi. is supposed to be one of Canada's positive points. Do you like being the only human being for 10s of miles in any direction? I don't know about you, but I do enjoy the occasional social gathering, particularily when I don't have to drive 20 miles to arrive there. Also, to expand upon the above point, it is not that Canada has miles and miles of unused territory that is a disadvantage, but that nearly 20% of its land is nearly unusable (Nunavut).

3. I think it would be pointless and redundant for me to go into the flaws of Canada's health care, but they are indeed extensive.

4. Although the U.S. does have several ignominious problems with its education system, it does manage a level of educational expertise not possible in many countries, including Canada. Consider the plethora of world-class universities: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and many, many more. Also consider the 100+ nobel prize winners, the world-renowned scientists, and the impeccable doctors and surgeons.

5. Canadians often proceed to argue that Canada is more free than the U.S. However, I seem to recall a period of several years when the Canadian government banned an obviously conservative program Fox News from the Canadian airwaves, while simultaneously sponsering public funding of clearly left-wing programs like CBC. Meanwhile, the U.S. continued to project both right and left-wing media to the general public. This is not to say the bipartisan nature of politics the U.S. media projects is a good thing, but at least the American people can be trusted with more than one perspective on political matters.


I don't even like the U.S. all that much, but it is certainly better than Canada.

1) When the U.S. was not making the gains it wanted in Iraq, Pres. Bush ordered a troop surge, a large one. How does this constitute a "held-back" America. You guys bomb targets in Iraq and Afgan. everyday, obviously not on the thousands of dead scale but it still does happen

2) When i previously raised this point, I was talking about over-crowding in schools and major cities.

3) Every system has problems, our two systems have different problems. I rather wait the extra time for a doctor and get my leg fixed then not being able to see him/her at all because i can't afford it.

4) You have a superior post-secondary system but below that level, there are serious problems. Do remember that you guys have 10x the population we do, so you would have a larger pool of people who have experienced success. On the flip side of that, there are a lot of people, many more then Canada, who have fallen through the cracks of your education system.

5) No one ever makes the point that we are more free. We both have censorship and regulations on business. While the programming on Fox is bad, I am able to watch it.

1. Fool. I never described a "held-back" America. Your initial statement was that the U.S. "bombs the shit out of people." Can you name targets that have been bombed in the last few months? I would be surprised if you could. I don't think you really know if the U.S. has even dropped a single bomb in the last year. But, it is an assertion of the ignorant that a bomb is dropped every day. Regardless, we are at war with Iraq/Afghanistan, so I would say to use a weapon on these countries would not be outside the realm of rationality.

2. Overcrowding is a highly exaggerated, truly nonexistant problem in the vast majority of the U.S. I am sure certain areas in Canada (i.e. Toronto) have equivalent problems with overcrowding.

3. Universal health care, like all socialist programs, looks great on paper, but the reality is otherwise.

4. Yes, thank you for repeating what I had just said, in addition to that vague metaphor which tells me nothing. Also, you are essentially saying that the production and success of a country should be measured relative to its population. So, since we have more people, our achievments are worth less? What a foolish assertion!

5. Now you are able to watch Fox. But, there was a period of time in which this conservative program was censored from Canadian airwaves. At least you are aware of your country's slightly oppressed state.

1. You made the inference that while the States has a large amount of WMD's, (yes, Nuclear warheads do count) but chooses not to use them. This is the held back American i refered to. You admit that you are using bombs on Iraq and Afganistan, when in fact you are not at war against them, but with them, against rebels opposed to the government.

2. Population density of New York (your largest city) 26,403 people per square mile. Population density of Toronto (our largest city) 10,287.4/sq mi. I would say that is a lot more crowded

3. The same can be said about the insurance system in the States

4. To Illustrate my point, an example: If i passed 4 tests during the school year that is good. If there were over 100 tests given then those 4 tests don't look so impressive.

5. Fox sucks but I am able to watch it. It was never "banned'. They were refused a license in favour of Rogers (a Canadian Company) This was done in order to promote Rogers. It was never an issue of Censorship. And you guys do have censorship just the same as us. You have the FCC and We have the CRTC

FK: I never said that I am against teaching everyone. I said that for everyone Nobel Prize winner, there are thousands more who fall through the cracks of the education system.

1. I'm pretty sure we're not just randomly bombing Iraqi cities. Those are targeted at rebels.

2. You don't have to live in a big city if you don't want to. In America you can live in uncrowded areas with the exact geography of Canada's (Alaska), or you can live in a big city. Those choices are limited when Canada's largest cities are a lot smaller than those in the United States. Plus the US has more small, medium, and semi-larges cities to choose from.

On education, you can't force kids to want to learn. The more people you have, the more there will be that refuse education and fall through the cracks of the system. If you don't want this to happen, you can't teach them in the first place, and therefore I came to the conclusion you replied to above.

1. I didn't make the point that you guys were bombing random targets. While, according to both sides, you do kill the intended target sometimes. You kill thousands of innoccent civilians in addition. (that is in total, not per attack)

2. Immigrants (for example) Do because that is where they are more likely to get a job and some form of housing

3?: good point but I am saying you can't say that you teach everyone when you don't.

1. I'm not the one dropping the bombs. It's a war, there's going to be staggering figures.

2. We're a nation founded on immigrants, and look where we are today. That doesn't help your argument.

3. How so?

Just Because wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

Just Because wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Adonai wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Adonai wrote:Let me analyze some of the most frequently used arguments by Canadians when attempting to demonstrate why Canada is greater than the U.S.:

1. Many Canadians use the "America bombs everyone/Canada is a peacekeeper" card. Yet, it is rare that the U.S. actually deploys a bomb, even when U.S. personel are the victims of bombings. For example, in response to the Beirut barracks bombings in Lebanon, it was the French, not the U.S., who responded with a large bomber strike on the Beqaa Valley. The U.S. is not quick to resort to bombs as a military stategy. Likewise, although the U.S. has about 5,500 nuclear warheads in stockpile (which I think is mostly a scare tactic), none have yet been deployed since the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Also, it is not as if Canada is this vast sleeping military force who refuses to use its power in order to hold peace. Canada couldn't maintain peace even if it wanted to.

2. I don't understand how having a population density of .039/sq. mi. is supposed to be one of Canada's positive points. Do you like being the only human being for 10s of miles in any direction? I don't know about you, but I do enjoy the occasional social gathering, particularily when I don't have to drive 20 miles to arrive there. Also, to expand upon the above point, it is not that Canada has miles and miles of unused territory that is a disadvantage, but that nearly 20% of its land is nearly unusable (Nunavut).

3. I think it would be pointless and redundant for me to go into the flaws of Canada's health care, but they are indeed extensive.

4. Although the U.S. does have several ignominious problems with its education system, it does manage a level of educational expertise not possible in many countries, including Canada. Consider the plethora of world-class universities: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and many, many more. Also consider the 100+ nobel prize winners, the world-renowned scientists, and the impeccable doctors and surgeons.

5. Canadians often proceed to argue that Canada is more free than the U.S. However, I seem to recall a period of several years when the Canadian government banned an obviously conservative program Fox News from the Canadian airwaves, while simultaneously sponsering public funding of clearly left-wing programs like CBC. Meanwhile, the U.S. continued to project both right and left-wing media to the general public. This is not to say the bipartisan nature of politics the U.S. media projects is a good thing, but at least the American people can be trusted with more than one perspective on political matters.


I don't even like the U.S. all that much, but it is certainly better than Canada.

1) When the U.S. was not making the gains it wanted in Iraq, Pres. Bush ordered a troop surge, a large one. How does this constitute a "held-back" America. You guys bomb targets in Iraq and Afgan. everyday, obviously not on the thousands of dead scale but it still does happen

2) When i previously raised this point, I was talking about over-crowding in schools and major cities.

3) Every system has problems, our two systems have different problems. I rather wait the extra time for a doctor and get my leg fixed then not being able to see him/her at all because i can't afford it.

4) You have a superior post-secondary system but below that level, there are serious problems. Do remember that you guys have 10x the population we do, so you would have a larger pool of people who have experienced success. On the flip side of that, there are a lot of people, many more then Canada, who have fallen through the cracks of your education system.

5) No one ever makes the point that we are more free. We both have censorship and regulations on business. While the programming on Fox is bad, I am able to watch it.

1. Fool. I never described a "held-back" America. Your initial statement was that the U.S. "bombs the shit out of people." Can you name targets that have been bombed in the last few months? I would be surprised if you could. I don't think you really know if the U.S. has even dropped a single bomb in the last year. But, it is an assertion of the ignorant that a bomb is dropped every day. Regardless, we are at war with Iraq/Afghanistan, so I would say to use a weapon on these countries would not be outside the realm of rationality.

2. Overcrowding is a highly exaggerated, truly nonexistant problem in the vast majority of the U.S. I am sure certain areas in Canada (i.e. Toronto) have equivalent problems with overcrowding.

3. Universal health care, like all socialist programs, looks great on paper, but the reality is otherwise.

4. Yes, thank you for repeating what I had just said, in addition to that vague metaphor which tells me nothing. Also, you are essentially saying that the production and success of a country should be measured relative to its population. So, since we have more people, our achievments are worth less? What a foolish assertion!

5. Now you are able to watch Fox. But, there was a period of time in which this conservative program was censored from Canadian airwaves. At least you are aware of your country's slightly oppressed state.

1. You made the inference that while the States has a large amount of WMD's, (yes, Nuclear warheads do count) but chooses not to use them. This is the held back American i refered to. You admit that you are using bombs on Iraq and Afganistan, when in fact you are not at war against them, but with them, against rebels opposed to the government.

2. Population density of New York (your largest city) 26,403 people per square mile. Population density of Toronto (our largest city) 10,287.4/sq mi. I would say that is a lot more crowded

3. The same can be said about the insurance system in the States

4. To Illustrate my point, an example: If i passed 4 tests during the school year that is good. If there were over 100 tests given then those 4 tests don't look so impressive.

5. Fox sucks but I am able to watch it. It was never "banned'. They were refused a license in favour of Rogers (a Canadian Company) This was done in order to promote Rogers. It was never an issue of Censorship. And you guys do have censorship just the same as us. You have the FCC and We have the CRTC

FK: I never said that I am against teaching everyone. I said that for everyone Nobel Prize winner, there are thousands more who fall through the cracks of the education system.

1. I'm pretty sure we're not just randomly bombing Iraqi cities. Those are targeted at rebels.

2. You don't have to live in a big city if you don't want to. In America you can live in uncrowded areas with the exact geography of Canada's (Alaska), or you can live in a big city. Those choices are limited when Canada's largest cities are a lot smaller than those in the United States. Plus the US has more small, medium, and semi-larges cities to choose from.

On education, you can't force kids to want to learn. The more people you have, the more there will be that refuse education and fall through the cracks of the system. If you don't want this to happen, you can't teach them in the first place, and therefore I came to the conclusion you replied to above.

1. I didn't make the point that you guys were bombing random targets. While, according to both sides, you do kill the intended target sometimes. You kill thousands of innoccent civilians in addition. (that is in total, not per attack)

2. Immigrants (for example) Do because that is where they are more likely to get a job and some form of housing

3?: good point but I am saying you can't say that you teach everyone when you don't.

1. I'm not the one dropping the bombs. It's a war, there's going to be staggering figures.

2. We're a nation founded on immigrants, and look where we are today. That doesn't help your argument.

3. How so?

1. You aren't at war with innoccent civilians. They shouldn't die because of your weapons.

2. You stated that I had a choice on whether or not to live in a big city. My point is that some people don't have a choice for the reasons I stated previously

3. Some kids don't want to learn but you can't disregard them so when you say you are teaching everyone you really are not. Those kids are left out.

CT: We use numbers so we can address each individual point in a straight forward manner and in direct contradiction to the point made by the opposing side

ATCG wrote:I would just like to say since the media is exposing us a lot more in this war, everything we do is bad. I use this analogy all the time, because it's true.

In today's war, if someone shot at us from a building, we'd have to send in troops and raid the street block by block door to door because we have to make sure we get the bad guy and only the bad guy, risking their lives in the process but as long as people back home think we are being nice.

In WWII, we'd just knock down the building. Not only does that solve the problem of the guy in that building, but that sends the message to residents of all buildings, someone inside shoots at us, your house comes down.

ATCG wrote:I would just like to say since the media is exposing us a lot more in this war, everything we do is bad. I use this analogy all the time, because it's true.

In today's war, if someone shot at us from a building, we'd have to send in troops and raid the street block by block door to door because we have to make sure we get the bad guy and only the bad guy, risking their lives in the process but as long as people back home think we are being nice.

In WWII, we'd just knock down the building. Not only does that solve the problem of the guy in that building, but that sends the message to residents of all buildings, someone inside shoots at us, your house comes down.

AudienceOfOne wrote:-don't a lot of canadians come here fore health care?
-yes you are safer, but we are more hood. hood=better
-wouldn't that be a reason why you suck? no one wants to live there?
-that's because no one knows who the balls you are.

Running With Scissors wrote:OMG YOU CREATE HOCKEY! THAT IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN MAKING CARS AND LIGHTBULBS AND BASICALLY EVERYTHING THAT MATTERS.

But yeah Hockey is really important point of why Canada is better than the USA.

ATCG wrote:I would also just like to say that the U.S. is THE superpower in the world. Other countries hate to hear it and try to bring us down, but deep down they know that we are unlike any other and hold a place of superiority over all.

TnF_T wrote:

Running With Scissors wrote:OMG YOU CREATE HOCKEY! THAT IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN MAKING CARS AND LIGHTBULBS AND BASICALLY EVERYTHING THAT MATTERS.

But yeah Hockey is really important point of why Canada is better than the USA.

we also created basketball lmao

TnF_T wrote:no you're right, i just randomly made that up


not

wikipedia wrote:In early December 1891, Dr. James Naismith,[1] a Canadian physical education professor from McGill University of Montréal and instructor at YMCA Training School[2] (today, Springfield College) in Springfield, Massachusetts, USA, sought a vigorous indoor game to keep his students occupied and at proper levels of fitness during the long New England winters. After rejecting other ideas as either too rough or poorly suited to walled-in gymnasiums, he wrote the basic rules and nailed a peach basket onto a 10-foot (3.05 m) elevated track. In contrast with modern basketball nets, this peach basket retained its bottom, and balls had to be retrieved manually after each "basket" or point scored; this proved inefficient, however, so a hole was drilled into the bottom of the basket, allowing the balls to be poked out with a long dowel each time. The peach baskets were used until 1906 when they were finally replaced by metal hoops with backboards. A further change was soon made, so the ball merely passed through, paving the way for the game we know today. A soccer ball was used to shoot goals. Whenever a person got the ball in the basket, his team would gain a point. Whichever team got the most points won the game.[3]

ATCG wrote:

Wgrt wrote:

ATCG wrote:I would also just like to say that the U.S. is THE superpower in the world. Other countries hate to hear it and try to bring us down, but deep down they know that we are unlike any other and hold a place of superiority over all.

or is it you don't like to hear your being taken over by countries such as china and india?

I can see where you might think that's happening, but deep down in your mind do you honestly think your pathetic island stands a chance if the U.S. would fall to it's enemies?

CT Track wrote:So does talking in numbers. Make coherent paragraphs fuckers cuz no one can follow this whole chain!

ATCG wrote:

Wgrt wrote:

ATCG wrote:I would also just like to say that the U.S. is THE superpower in the world. Other countries hate to hear it and try to bring us down, but deep down they know that we are unlike any other and hold a place of superiority over all.

or is it you don't like to hear your being taken over by countries such as china and india?

I can see where you might think that's happening, but deep down in your mind do you honestly think your pathetic island stands a chance if the U.S. would fall to it's enemies?