Why I ask, are fathers so... powerless?.

I ask this in light of the recent protest on the mall by the feminist for abortion rights.

They demand "a womans right to choose!" Transaltion, Fathers don't matter.

Why, seriously, are fathers given ZERO say in this matter. That clump of cells the woman wants to kill off abort is also the biological coupling of the fathers genetic material. Shouldn't the biologicial father be able to have a say, to sue to force the birth of the child then be given full and unfettered rights to child instead of it being killed off?

Granted, its not his body, and I ackowledge that, but why should the father be denied the right to the childs life, the mother wanting the abortion has stated flatly by seeking said abortion that she wants nothing to do with the prospective child, why cant the father demand the child?


I think its... completely insane to argue that a man has NO say in an abortion. Fathers have rights too.

i've actually never thought about that before.
good point raised ^^

yeah good point..
but i don't think the father should be able to make her go through with it if she doesn't want vice versa but idk i guess it depends on the situation.
really good point though.

Yeah, it does seem unfair. The alternate is worse though, forcing someone to go through with a child birth for someone elses sake isn't right. Besides, sex isn't a contract, for the woman to produce a child for the man. I don't think a man has any place to demand it from a woman.

I never knew WW could say something that complex. Good argument though.

Nope, you are on crack. It isn't the same thing, stop looking for a clever moral loophole, the father doesn't have rights to the decision of whether or not the woman wants to carry a child, and that is how it should be.

ProtestTheZero wrote:Nope, you are on crack. It isn't the same thing, stop looking for a clever moral loophole, the father doesn't have rights to the decision of whether or not the woman wants to carry a child, and that is how it should be.

Well the father of the child will have to pay child support for 18 years after that baby is born and have a very miserable life. It's stupid for a man probably through the ages 18-24 who will never meet his child to have to pay $300 dollars for his child a month. He could pay $200 for the operation and get it over with. He would have to pay roughly 60,000-68,000 through that childs eighteen years. He could get a new house or start a non-mistaken family with that kind of money. I'm not Pro abortion but, I just want the man in that situation to have a say in it.

if the guy couldn't keep it in his pants, it's his fault.

Parenting is a joint decision, why can't that be one?

Not Marks Fantasy wrote:

ProtestTheZero wrote:Nope, you are on crack. It isn't the same thing, stop looking for a clever moral loophole, the father doesn't have rights to the decision of whether or not the woman wants to carry a child, and that is how it should be.

Well the father of the child will have to pay child support for 18 years after that baby is born and have a very miserable life. It's stupid for a man probably through the ages 18-24 who will never meet his child to have to pay $300 dollars for his child a month. He could pay $200 for the operation and get it over with. He would have to pay roughly 60,000-68,000 through that childs eighteen years. He could get a new house or start a non-mistaken family with that kind of money. I'm not Pro abortion but, I just want the man in that situation to have a say in it.

Good Point. I think that once the father is told that he is the father, he should have a right to "disown" the child, therefore giving up all rights to see him or her but not paying child support.

hey fuck the dad and the mom, what about the kid? I think the person whos life is at stake should be the one to fucking chose.

all your pro abortionists are baby killers, i dont care how many times you deny it or come up with excuses.

and just think of this, suppose your parents came up to you and your mother tells you that she was debating having an abortion when she was pregnant with you, since having you would be an issue because-- (Insert usual excuse/convenient "justification" [e,g; she was raped/could not afford it/was not ready/too young/broken condom/etc...])--

would you say, "Gee mom! I didnt know you gave up your college aspirations so you could have me, why didnt you just kill me? I am sure you would have been much happier if you would have killed/aborted me."

...
and this whole mothers fathers right to chose...lets go to that same scenario. Say your parents confront you by saying there had been consideration about aborting you after you were concieved... Say that your mom tells you that she wanted to abort you at first, but because your dad wanted to have you she went through with it.

Honestly, how would you feel about your mother then? knowing that at some point, she had considered killing the fetus that would be you, WAS YOU, and thus, wanted to kill you. how would you feel about your mother then? what if it was your father who had supported the notion of abortion?

Abortion is only an "issue" or a "moral debate" because people refuse to accept that the fetus is, during its early development, a human. They only see abortion from their point of view, not the view of the child who's life is at stake.

i never thought about that
i guess because most people think the baby is like part of the mom or something and so if she decided to go with abortion, she is killling part of herself

Trackaholic wrote:and just think of this, suppose your parents came up to you and your mother tells you that she was debating having an abortion when she was pregnant with you, since having you would be an issue because-- (Insert usual excuse/convenient "justification" [e,g; she was raped/could not afford it/was not ready/too young/broken condom/etc...])--

would you say, "Gee mom! I didnt know you gave up your college aspirations so you could have me, why didnt you just kill me? I am sure you would have been much happier if you would have killed/aborted me."

...
and this whole mothers fathers right to chose...lets go to that same scenario. Say your parents confront you by saying there had been consideration about aborting you after you were concieved... Say that your mom tells you that she wanted to abort you at first, but because your dad wanted to have you she went through with it.

Honestly, how would you feel about your mother then? knowing that at some point, she had considered killing the fetus that would be you, WAS YOU, and thus, wanted to kill you. how would you feel about your mother then? what if it was your father who had supported the notion of abortion?

Abortion is only an "issue" or a "moral debate" because people refuse to accept that the fetus is, during its early development, a human. They only see abortion from their point of view, not the view of the child who's life is at stake.

+100

ProtestTheZero wrote:Nope, you are on crack. It isn't the same thing, stop looking for a clever moral loophole, the father doesn't have rights to the decision of whether or not the woman wants to carry a child, and that is how it should be.

see i disagree just because. a father can get legal custody of a child as soon as its born if they want to. this is different but still. idk that its right that the father has the right to do it but i do think that he should have some say. the ultimate decision is up to the woman but abortion is not ok.

Trackaholic wrote:hey fuck the dad and the mom, what about the kid? I think the person whos life is at stake should be the one to fucking chose.

all your pro abortionists are baby killers, i dont care how many times you deny it or come up with excuses.

hahahahahaha yep that is what im going with. nice point tracko.

P2 wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:hey fuck the dad and the mom, what about the kid? I think the person whos life is at stake should be the one to fucking chose.

all your pro abortionists are baby killers, i dont care how many times you deny it or come up with excuses.

hahahahahaha yep that is what im going with. nice point tracko.

Then you're pro-life?

obviously, if you are against people cutting up little babies. I would consider that pro life.

pro life ftw

yep im pro life

Trackaholic wrote:and just think of this, suppose your parents came up to you and your mother tells you that she was debating having an abortion when she was pregnant with you, since having you would be an issue because-- (Insert usual excuse/convenient "justification" [e,g; she was raped/could not afford it/was not ready/too young/broken condom/etc...])--

would you say, "Gee mom! I didnt know you gave up your college aspirations so you could have me, why didnt you just kill me? I am sure you would have been much happier if you would have killed/aborted me."

...
and this whole mothers fathers right to chose...lets go to that same scenario. Say your parents confront you by saying there had been consideration about aborting you after you were concieved... Say that your mom tells you that she wanted to abort you at first, but because your dad wanted to have you she went through with it.

Honestly, how would you feel about your mother then? knowing that at some point, she had considered killing the fetus that would be you, WAS YOU, and thus, wanted to kill you. how would you feel about your mother then? what if it was your father who had supported the notion of abortion?

Abortion is only an "issue" or a "moral debate" because people refuse to accept that the fetus is, during its early development, a human. They only see abortion from their point of view, not the view of the child who's life is at stake.

if my mom told me she was raped and thats how i was born i would have felt so sorry for her that she went through with it i mean its great that im alive and she did go through with it hats off to her you know..but i would tell her i would completely understand if i wasn't here because she took the morning after pill after she got raped seriously and she wouldn't have been killing me because i wasn't even formed yet there was nothing except some cells...just saying.

oh well then for all you pro-lifers, if its a child then the father should have an equal right whether to kill it or let it live

Trackaholic wrote:and just think of this, suppose your parents came up to you and your mother tells you that she was debating having an abortion when she was pregnant with you, since having you would be an issue because-- (Insert usual excuse/convenient "justification" [e,g; she was raped/could not afford it/was not ready/too young/broken condom/etc...])--

would you say, "Gee mom! I didnt know you gave up your college aspirations so you could have me, why didnt you just kill me? I am sure you would have been much happier if you would have killed/aborted me."

...
and this whole mothers fathers right to chose...lets go to that same scenario. Say your parents confront you by saying there had been consideration about aborting you after you were concieved... Say that your mom tells you that she wanted to abort you at first, but because your dad wanted to have you she went through with it.

Honestly, how would you feel about your mother then? knowing that at some point, she had considered killing the fetus that would be you, WAS YOU, and thus, wanted to kill you. how would you feel about your mother then? what if it was your father who had supported the notion of abortion?

Abortion is only an "issue" or a "moral debate" because people refuse to accept that the fetus is, during its early development, a human. They only see abortion from their point of view, not the view of the child who's life is at stake.

An abortion has to take place before week 14. They don`t kill developed babies. There are good reasons for having an abortion. For you to dismiss these reasons based on the non-existent rights of a fetus (not a baby, not a human: a fetus) is very insensitive. The moment the baby would feel any pain (after week 14) is where i call it murder.

Just so you guys know: I am pro-choice

they dont kill developed baby's? you say?

I am sorry just because, your not a very good pro-abortionist/murder.

you NEVER say terms like "developed baby".

there is only "baby", everything before that is just a bunch of worthless cells not even worth half a shit, according to pro abortionists/murderers.

Sorry kid, I am going to have to exploit your flaw, you should read up on pro abortion doctrine, they have all kinds of lovely terms for those cells that compromise a fetus and a baby, but your NEVER supposed to use the term fetus or baby, doing so would be admitting abortion is murder! Gosh, we wouldnt want that!

*ahem*

So you say its okay to kill babies as long as they are undeveloped? you still admit to them being babies, seeing as you used the term "developed baby" ther emust be an opposite term, such as "undeveloped baby", but both those terms denote that they are indeed, BABIES, nevertheless.

murderer.

BA_Sadie. wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:and just think of this, suppose your parents came up to you and your mother tells you that she was debating having an abortion when she was pregnant with you, since having you would be an issue because-- (Insert usual excuse/convenient "justification" [e,g; she was raped/could not afford it/was not ready/too young/broken condom/etc...])--

would you say, "Gee mom! I didnt know you gave up your college aspirations so you could have me, why didnt you just kill me? I am sure you would have been much happier if you would have killed/aborted me."

...
and this whole mothers fathers right to chose...lets go to that same scenario. Say your parents confront you by saying there had been consideration about aborting you after you were concieved... Say that your mom tells you that she wanted to abort you at first, but because your dad wanted to have you she went through with it.

Honestly, how would you feel about your mother then? knowing that at some point, she had considered killing the fetus that would be you, WAS YOU, and thus, wanted to kill you. how would you feel about your mother then? what if it was your father who had supported the notion of abortion?

Abortion is only an "issue" or a "moral debate" because people refuse to accept that the fetus is, during its early development, a human. They only see abortion from their point of view, not the view of the child who's life is at stake.

if my mom told me she was raped and thats how i was born i would have felt so sorry for her that she went through with it i mean its great that im alive and she did go through with it hats off to her you know..but i would tell her i would completely understand if i wasn't here because she took the morning after pill after she got raped seriously and she wouldn't have been killing me because i wasn't even formed yet there was nothing except some cells...just saying.

Sure you can say that, after all, thers no possibility of that actually happening, so you can hide behind a feigned nobleness that is hardly tangible.

Tell me though, are all abortions the result of rape?

And if you ask me, the solution to rape is not abortion, but to put rapists behind bars.