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It's a miracle!AudienceOfOne wrote:it's a ton more than that.SourWorms wrote:just because the catholic church doesnt denounce science? and have found a way to make god and science work together?
and i love it how catholics accept science when they say we evolved from monkeys, even though science also says the dead can't be raised to life(Jesus). i don't understand how that works, i'd love it if someone could explain that. it's stupid to believe in one and not the other, they void each other out.
how can you choose not believe just the first part of genesis because scientists told you so, but when they get to the NT, then you choose to figuratively close your ears? even atheists should be able to understand my view on that.
From dictionary.com:
miracle
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.
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FinishingKick wrote:It's a miracle!AudienceOfOne wrote:it's a ton more than that.SourWorms wrote:just because the catholic church doesnt denounce science? and have found a way to make god and science work together?
and i love it how catholics accept science when they say we evolved from monkeys, even though science also says the dead can't be raised to life(Jesus). i don't understand how that works, i'd love it if someone could explain that. it's stupid to believe in one and not the other, they void each other out.
how can you choose not believe just the first part of genesis because scientists told you so, but when they get to the NT, then you choose to figuratively close your ears? even atheists should be able to understand my view on that.
From dictionary.com:
miracle
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.
miracles dont exist. real miracles that is
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prove it
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Now doesn't proving a miracle fly in the face of the definition?
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See I believe there is probably a greater force, I don't think in any way this can be humanised, sorry if you believe in Jesus, but I believe there is probably a person, called Jesus. I just don't believe in any of the 'miracles' if your right I will burn in hell, if I'm right, millions probably billions of people around the world have wasted their life.
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wow, you COMPLETELY missed my point, so i'll restate it.FinishingKick wrote:It's a miracle!AudienceOfOne wrote:it's a ton more than that.SourWorms wrote:just because the catholic church doesnt denounce science? and have found a way to make god and science work together?
and i love it how catholics accept science when they say we evolved from monkeys, even though science also says the dead can't be raised to life(Jesus). i don't understand how that works, i'd love it if someone could explain that. it's stupid to believe in one and not the other, they void each other out.
how can you choose not believe just the first part of genesis because scientists told you so, but when they get to the NT, then you choose to figuratively close your ears? even atheists should be able to understand my view on that.
From dictionary.com:
miracle
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.
how can you beleive that Jesus conquered the grave but you can't beleive he made the universe the way he said he did?
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Wgrt wrote:See I believe there is probably a greater force, I don't think in any way this can be humanised, sorry if you believe in Jesus, but I believe there is probably a person, called Jesus. I just don't believe in any of the 'miracles' if your right I will burn in hell, if I'm right, millions probably billions of people around the world have wasted their life.
you reminded me of my new favorite song that talks about what you just said, so i'm gonna post it.
https://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Lecrae/track/Don%27t+Waste+Your+Life+ft.+Dwayne+Tryumf%2C+Cam
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FK told SW to prove a miracle doesn't exist?whenhen wrote:Now doesn't proving a miracle fly in the face of the definition?
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They are both miracles. God creating the world through everything seen in science is "such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God." Jesus rising from the dead is "an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause."AudienceOfOne wrote:wow, you COMPLETELY missed my point, so i'll restate it.FinishingKick wrote:It's a miracle!AudienceOfOne wrote:it's a ton more than that.SourWorms wrote:just because the catholic church doesnt denounce science? and have found a way to make god and science work together?
and i love it how catholics accept science when they say we evolved from monkeys, even though science also says the dead can't be raised to life(Jesus). i don't understand how that works, i'd love it if someone could explain that. it's stupid to believe in one and not the other, they void each other out.
how can you choose not believe just the first part of genesis because scientists told you so, but when they get to the NT, then you choose to figuratively close your ears? even atheists should be able to understand my view on that.
From dictionary.com:
miracle
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.
how can you beleive that Jesus conquered the grave but you can't beleive he made the universe the way he said he did?
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so what exactly are you fk?
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hes catholic
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This is a subject that no one is going to know the answer to till they die.
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AAAAHHHHH. missing my point again.FinishingKick wrote:They are both miracles. God creating the world through everything seen in science is "such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God." Jesus rising from the dead is "an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause."AudienceOfOne wrote:wow, you COMPLETELY missed my point, so i'll restate it.FinishingKick wrote:It's a miracle!AudienceOfOne wrote:it's a ton more than that.SourWorms wrote:just because the catholic church doesnt denounce science? and have found a way to make god and science work together?
and i love it how catholics accept science when they say we evolved from monkeys, even though science also says the dead can't be raised to life(Jesus). i don't understand how that works, i'd love it if someone could explain that. it's stupid to believe in one and not the other, they void each other out.
how can you choose not believe just the first part of genesis because scientists told you so, but when they get to the NT, then you choose to figuratively close your ears? even atheists should be able to understand my view on that.
From dictionary.com:
miracle
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.
how can you beleive that Jesus conquered the grave but you can't beleive he made the universe the way he said he did?
i get what you're saying.
but i'm saying, why can't you believe that he created the earth the way HE SAID HE DID in instead of trusting in what we know? if God can defeat death than what's so hard about creating the universe the way he said he did it?
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He could've, but add the fact that there are other stories in the old testament plus the evidence we have today and that's how I arrive at my conclusion.
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so you're telling me that God can raise the dead and save people from death, but he can't create the world the way he said he did?!?FinishingKick wrote:He could've, but add the fact that there are other stories in the old testament plus the evidence we have today and that's how I arrive at my conclusion.
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or instructed him as his counselor?
14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge
or showed him the path of understanding?
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Just because he can doesn't mean he would've had to.AudienceOfOne wrote:so you're telling me that God can raise the dead and save people from death, but he can't create the world the way he said he did?!?FinishingKick wrote:He could've, but add the fact that there are other stories in the old testament plus the evidence we have today and that's how I arrive at my conclusion.
Isaiah 40
13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD,
or instructed him as his counselor?
14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge
or showed him the path of understanding?
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in the bible it says God can't lie, it also says scripture is God-breathed.FinishingKick wrote:Just because he can doesn't mean he would've had to.AudienceOfOne wrote:so you're telling me that God can raise the dead and save people from death, but he can't create the world the way he said he did?!?FinishingKick wrote:He could've, but add the fact that there are other stories in the old testament plus the evidence we have today and that's how I arrive at my conclusion.
Isaiah 40
13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD,
or instructed him as his counselor?
14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge
or showed him the path of understanding?
are you calling God a liar?
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A story can be a representation.AudienceOfOne wrote:in the bible it says God can't lie, it also says scripture is God-breathed.FinishingKick wrote:Just because he can doesn't mean he would've had to.AudienceOfOne wrote:so you're telling me that God can raise the dead and save people from death, but he can't create the world the way he said he did?!?FinishingKick wrote:He could've, but add the fact that there are other stories in the old testament plus the evidence we have today and that's how I arrive at my conclusion.
Isaiah 40
13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD,
or instructed him as his counselor?
14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge
or showed him the path of understanding?
are you calling God a liar?
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Quotes such as you are merely grasshoppers who are you to question the lord and whatever else, really annoys me, it is stupid who am I to question God, who are you to tell me not to question this God?
If it makes you a stronger believer great, however telling me to no question it is like when people don't question their government it doesn't work.
Please don't.
If it makes you a stronger believer great, however telling me to no question it is like when people don't question their government it doesn't work.
Please don't.
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Isn't that called circular logic? It would be like me saying a paper that someone else wrote said I can't lie, but that that paper is written by me. I'm not trying to compare myself to god fyi.AudienceOfOne wrote:in the bible it says God can't lie, it also says scripture is God-breathed.
are you calling God a liar?
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But according to him you would be the scribe of the "someone else."whenhen wrote:Isn't that called circular logic? It would be like me saying a paper that someone else wrote said I can't lie, but that that paper is written by me. I'm not trying to compare myself to god fyi.AudienceOfOne wrote:in the bible it says God can't lie, it also says scripture is God-breathed.
are you calling God a liar?
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and you don't think he would have said that the stories are just representing things?FinishingKick wrote:A story can be a representation.AudienceOfOne wrote:in the bible it says God can't lie, it also says scripture is God-breathed.FinishingKick wrote:Just because he can doesn't mean he would've had to.AudienceOfOne wrote:so you're telling me that God can raise the dead and save people from death, but he can't create the world the way he said he did?!?FinishingKick wrote:He could've, but add the fact that there are other stories in the old testament plus the evidence we have today and that's how I arrive at my conclusion.
Isaiah 40
13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD,
or instructed him as his counselor?
14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge
or showed him the path of understanding?
are you calling God a liar?
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He might've, but it was the old testament. I trust the new testament a lot more.AudienceOfOne wrote:and you don't think he would have said that the stories are just representing things?FinishingKick wrote:A story can be a representation.AudienceOfOne wrote:in the bible it says God can't lie, it also says scripture is God-breathed.FinishingKick wrote:Just because he can doesn't mean he would've had to.AudienceOfOne wrote:so you're telling me that God can raise the dead and save people from death, but he can't create the world the way he said he did?!?FinishingKick wrote:He could've, but add the fact that there are other stories in the old testament plus the evidence we have today and that's how I arrive at my conclusion.
Isaiah 40
13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD,
or instructed him as his counselor?
14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge
or showed him the path of understanding?
are you calling God a liar?
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do you read your bible?FinishingKick wrote:He might've, but it was the old testament. I trust the new testament a lot more.AudienceOfOne wrote:and you don't think he would have said that the stories are just representing things?FinishingKick wrote:A story can be a representation.AudienceOfOne wrote:in the bible it says God can't lie, it also says scripture is God-breathed.FinishingKick wrote:Just because he can doesn't mean he would've had to.AudienceOfOne wrote:so you're telling me that God can raise the dead and save people from death, but he can't create the world the way he said he did?!?FinishingKick wrote:He could've, but add the fact that there are other stories in the old testament plus the evidence we have today and that's how I arrive at my conclusion.
Isaiah 40
13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD,
or instructed him as his counselor?
14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge
or showed him the path of understanding?
are you calling God a liar?
it says that the Lord cannot change. why would the scriptures?