Why I ask, are fathers so... powerless?.

Trackaholic wrote:they dont kill developed baby's? you say?

I am sorry just because, your not a very good pro-abortionist/murder.

you NEVER say terms like "developed baby".

there is only "baby", everything before that is just a bunch of worthless cells not even worth half a shit, according to pro abortionists/murderers.

Sorry kid, I am going to have to exploit your flaw, you should read up on pro abortion doctrine, they have all kinds of lovely terms for those cells that compromise a fetus and a baby, but your NEVER supposed to use the term fetus or baby, doing so would be admitting abortion is murder! Gosh, we wouldnt want that!

*ahem*

So you say its okay to kill babies as long as they are undeveloped? you still admit to them being babies, seeing as you used the term "developed baby" ther emust be an opposite term, such as "undeveloped baby", but both those terms denote that they are indeed, BABIES, nevertheless.

murderer.

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:and just think of this, suppose your parents came up to you and your mother tells you that she was debating having an abortion when she was pregnant with you, since having you would be an issue because-- (Insert usual excuse/convenient "justification" [e,g; she was raped/could not afford it/was not ready/too young/broken condom/etc...])--

would you say, "Gee mom! I didnt know you gave up your college aspirations so you could have me, why didnt you just kill me? I am sure you would have been much happier if you would have killed/aborted me."

...
and this whole mothers fathers right to chose...lets go to that same scenario. Say your parents confront you by saying there had been consideration about aborting you after you were concieved... Say that your mom tells you that she wanted to abort you at first, but because your dad wanted to have you she went through with it.

Honestly, how would you feel about your mother then? knowing that at some point, she had considered killing the fetus that would be you, WAS YOU, and thus, wanted to kill you. how would you feel about your mother then? what if it was your father who had supported the notion of abortion?

Abortion is only an "issue" or a "moral debate" because people refuse to accept that the fetus is, during its early development, a human. They only see abortion from their point of view, not the view of the child who's life is at stake.

An abortion has to take place before week 14. They don`t kill developed babies. There are good reasons for having an abortion. For you to dismiss these reasons based on the non-existent rights of a fetus (not a baby, not a human: a fetus) is very insensitive. The moment the baby would feel any pain (after week 14) is where i call it murder.

Just so you guys know: I am pro-choice

Trackaholic wrote:

BA_Sadie. wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:and just think of this, suppose your parents came up to you and your mother tells you that she was debating having an abortion when she was pregnant with you, since having you would be an issue because-- (Insert usual excuse/convenient "justification" [e,g; she was raped/could not afford it/was not ready/too young/broken condom/etc...])--

would you say, "Gee mom! I didnt know you gave up your college aspirations so you could have me, why didnt you just kill me? I am sure you would have been much happier if you would have killed/aborted me."

...
and this whole mothers fathers right to chose...lets go to that same scenario. Say your parents confront you by saying there had been consideration about aborting you after you were concieved... Say that your mom tells you that she wanted to abort you at first, but because your dad wanted to have you she went through with it.

Honestly, how would you feel about your mother then? knowing that at some point, she had considered killing the fetus that would be you, WAS YOU, and thus, wanted to kill you. how would you feel about your mother then? what if it was your father who had supported the notion of abortion?

Abortion is only an "issue" or a "moral debate" because people refuse to accept that the fetus is, during its early development, a human. They only see abortion from their point of view, not the view of the child who's life is at stake.

if my mom told me she was raped and thats how i was born i would have felt so sorry for her that she went through with it i mean its great that im alive and she did go through with it hats off to her you know..but i would tell her i would completely understand if i wasn't here because she took the morning after pill after she got raped seriously and she wouldn't have been killing me because i wasn't even formed yet there was nothing except some cells...just saying.

Sure you can say that, after all, thers no possibility of that actually happening, so you can hide behind a feigned nobleness that is hardly tangible.

Tell me though, are all abortions the result of rape?

And if you ask me, the solution to rape is not abortion, but to put rapists behind bars.

Trackaholic wrote:

BA_Sadie. wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:and just think of this, suppose your parents came up to you and your mother tells you that she was debating having an abortion when she was pregnant with you, since having you would be an issue because-- (Insert usual excuse/convenient "justification" [e,g; she was raped/could not afford it/was not ready/too young/broken condom/etc...])--

would you say, "Gee mom! I didnt know you gave up your college aspirations so you could have me, why didnt you just kill me? I am sure you would have been much happier if you would have killed/aborted me."

...
and this whole mothers fathers right to chose...lets go to that same scenario. Say your parents confront you by saying there had been consideration about aborting you after you were concieved... Say that your mom tells you that she wanted to abort you at first, but because your dad wanted to have you she went through with it.

Honestly, how would you feel about your mother then? knowing that at some point, she had considered killing the fetus that would be you, WAS YOU, and thus, wanted to kill you. how would you feel about your mother then? what if it was your father who had supported the notion of abortion?

Abortion is only an "issue" or a "moral debate" because people refuse to accept that the fetus is, during its early development, a human. They only see abortion from their point of view, not the view of the child who's life is at stake.

if my mom told me she was raped and thats how i was born i would have felt so sorry for her that she went through with it i mean its great that im alive and she did go through with it hats off to her you know..but i would tell her i would completely understand if i wasn't here because she took the morning after pill after she got raped seriously and she wouldn't have been killing me because i wasn't even formed yet there was nothing except some cells...just saying.

Sure you can say that, after all, thers no possibility of that actually happening, so you can hide behind a feigned nobleness that is hardly tangible.

Tell me though, are all abortions the result of rape?

And if you ask me, the solution to rape is not abortion, but to put rapists behind bars.

Trackaholic wrote:abortion is such an endless debate because it all boils down to your religon eventually.

The Bee's Knees wrote:

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:and just think of this, suppose your parents came up to you and your mother tells you that she was debating having an abortion when she was pregnant with you, since having you would be an issue because-- (Insert usual excuse/convenient "justification" [e,g; she was raped/could not afford it/was not ready/too young/broken condom/etc...])--

would you say, "Gee mom! I didnt know you gave up your college aspirations so you could have me, why didnt you just kill me? I am sure you would have been much happier if you would have killed/aborted me."

...
and this whole mothers fathers right to chose...lets go to that same scenario. Say your parents confront you by saying there had been consideration about aborting you after you were concieved... Say that your mom tells you that she wanted to abort you at first, but because your dad wanted to have you she went through with it.

Honestly, how would you feel about your mother then? knowing that at some point, she had considered killing the fetus that would be you, WAS YOU, and thus, wanted to kill you. how would you feel about your mother then? what if it was your father who had supported the notion of abortion?

Abortion is only an "issue" or a "moral debate" because people refuse to accept that the fetus is, during its early development, a human. They only see abortion from their point of view, not the view of the child who's life is at stake.

An abortion has to take place before week 14. They don`t kill developed babies. There are good reasons for having an abortion. For you to dismiss these reasons based on the non-existent rights of a fetus (not a baby, not a human: a fetus) is very insensitive. The moment the baby would feel any pain (after week 14) is where i call it murder.

Just so you guys know: I am pro-choice

I beg to differ.

Trackaholic is right. Just because it can't talk or think doesn't mean it's not alive.

TnF_T wrote:That is why religion sucks

Trackaholic wrote:Life begins when you are born.

Wrong, according to any reputable biologist, life begins before that. Just look at the characteristics of life, a single sperm cell alone meets those standards. We use the characteristics of life on EVERY SINGLE ORGANISM ON THIS PLANET. Why would embryo's be exempt? they meet those characteristics!

As for the cow killing and plant thing, animals and plants are part of an ecosystem, in order for the ecosystem to survive, organisms must die so that life can continue on. However, the abortion of babies and the NEEDLESS killing of animals and plants do NOT support an ecosystem in anyway, and is therefore murder for murder's sake.

Your final thought? does that mean you have no more tricks up your sleeve, exhausted of excuses and abstruse meaningless phrases?

Just Because wrote:

Trackaholic wrote:Life begins when you are born.

Wrong, according to any reputable biologist, life begins before that. Just look at the characteristics of life, a single sperm cell alone meets those standards. We use the characteristics of life on EVERY SINGLE ORGANISM ON THIS PLANET. Why would embryo's be exempt? they meet those characteristics!

As for the cow killing and plant thing, animals and plants are part of an ecosystem, in order for the ecosystem to survive, organisms must die so that life can continue on. However, the abortion of babies and the NEEDLESS killing of animals and plants do NOT support an ecosystem in anyway, and is therefore murder for murder's sake.

Your final thought? does that mean you have no more tricks up your sleeve, exhausted of excuses and abstruse meaningless phrases?

As you said: Things must die for life to move on. We needlessly kill cows and pigs. Why don't we all become vegetarian? An embyro is not a person. You can't murder what is not alive. As for your biologist point: There is a bias there if you are religious. Example: the Evolution debate. There are scientists on both sides that believe they are right.

As for my final thought: I was trying to gracefully step out of the arguement because it will go on forever. Just accept that we have seperate points of view. Don't respond to anything else in my post.

SourWorms wrote:are you serious? evolution is fact, there is no such thing as "intelligent design." if you think otherwise, you are completely ignorant

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:are you serious? evolution is fact, there is no such thing as "intelligent design." if you think otherwise, you are completely ignorant

Then my new name is Completely Ignorant. want to give me a middle name too?

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:are you serious? evolution is fact, there is no such thing as "intelligent design." if you think otherwise, you are completely ignorant

Then my new name is Completely Ignorant. want to give me a middle name too?

please telll me your joking. how do you not believe in evolution?

SourWorms wrote:are you serious? evolution is fact, there is no such thing as "intelligent design." if you think otherwise, you are completely ignorant

FK wrote:

SourWorms wrote:are you serious? evolution is fact, there is no such thing as "intelligent design." if you think otherwise, you are completely ignorant

If you want to be scientific, you have to accept that it is called "The Theory of Evolution."

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

SourWorms wrote:are you serious? evolution is fact, there is no such thing as "intelligent design." if you think otherwise, you are completely ignorant

Then my new name is Completely Ignorant. want to give me a middle name too?

please telll me your joking. how do you not believe in evolution?

it's easy. you should try it too.

dust off that bible that's been sitting on your bookshelf for as long as you can remember and flip to Genisis Ch.1 .

Forget the big band and evolution and face this: He's the King of Kings and Author of all Creation.