HR Monitors

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FK wrote:Peaking early and burning out are somewhat the same thing, but peaking is something every runner does.

are we talking carreers or seasons?

When you're training for XC, your base is the start of your peak, and then the training you do in XC continues to move your fitness higher. Since your goal of the season is usually to do your best at the end of the year, you "peak" in fitness for the last meet. Then you take a break after Xc and start ding another base. This causes a dip and then the build towards what will become (hopefully) a higher peak in fitness.

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FK wrote:Peaking early and burning out are somewhat the same thing, but peaking is something every runner does.

are we talking carreers or seasons?

When you're training for XC, your base is the start of your peak, and then the training you do in XC continues to move your fitness higher. Since your goal of the season is usually to do your best at the end of the year, you "peak" in fitness for the last meet. Then you take a break after Xc and start ding another base. This causes a dip and then the build towards what will become (hopefully) a higher peak in fitness.

and for a season, burning out is peaking too early.

Kugar wrote:(on the subject of heart rate moniters):

-shrug-

I think h/r moniters are good tools for keeping track of your progress (keeps you honest...if you say running 7:30 per mile is easy for you, your h/r will reflect that). Especially if you're prone to going all out on training runs or if you have a particular workload/mileage that you should be doing.

Our coach is going to have us use h/r moniters next year after going through blood lactate testing, simply to make sure we're optimizing training. It's not "magic," but when used correctly, it's helpful (I think!).

Just saying: some people have naturally faster h/r I think... Because after speed workouts (like a 400 or something) our coach makes us check our pulse, and mine is almost always the fastest but I'm not necessarily tired, my friends say I’m part rabbit. haha but really, I have a really fast heart rate, and its always been like that.

But I had to use one in P.E once for a fitness test, when your heartrate went over 180 or something like that, you had to walk , I really liked using it though because when my h/r was low I would speed up and It was just kinda like a kick in the butt to motivate me. Sorry if all of that was pointless or made no sense...in which it probably was.

Pinthin wrote:

Kugar wrote:(on the subject of heart rate moniters):

-shrug-

I think h/r moniters are good tools for keeping track of your progress (keeps you honest...if you say running 7:30 per mile is easy for you, your h/r will reflect that). Especially if you're prone to going all out on training runs or if you have a particular workload/mileage that you should be doing.

Our coach is going to have us use h/r moniters next year after going through blood lactate testing, simply to make sure we're optimizing training. It's not "magic," but when used correctly, it's helpful (I think!).

Just saying: some people have naturally faster h/r I think... Because after speed workouts (like a 400 or something) our coach makes us check our pulse, and mine is almost always the fastest but I'm not necessarily tired, my friends say I’m part rabbit. haha but really, I have a really fast heart rate, and its always been like that.

But I had to use one in P.E once for a fitness test, when your heartrate went over 180 or something like that, you had to walk , I really liked using it though because when my h/r was low I would speed up and It was just kinda like a kick in the butt to motivate me. Sorry if all of that was pointless or made no sense...in which it probably was.

Nah, made fine sense.

That's why I don't advocate training completely based on h/r. Your h/r might spike early and recover more quickly, or any number of other things. It's not an exact science (IMO) and shouldn't be treated as such. Better to get individualized advice based on more than one component of fitness.

Plus you're HR is a lot higher in the morning.

FK wrote:

runner_dude wrote:

at first he was going about 8 min/mile at 155 bpm, and by the end of the winter he was going 5:55 min/mile at the same heart rate.

I'm gonna have to call bull shit on that.

I would have to agree.

?

It's really not all that unbelievable.
He ran 15:15 for 5k in xc before he broke his foot.
When you're amazingly talented, and you run 90+ miles a week, results tend to come fast.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FK wrote:Peaking early and burning out are somewhat the same thing, but peaking is something every runner does.

are we talking carreers or seasons?

When you're training for XC, your base is the start of your peak, and then the training you do in XC continues to move your fitness higher. Since your goal of the season is usually to do your best at the end of the year, you "peak" in fitness for the last meet. Then you take a break after Xc and start ding another base. This causes a dip and then the build towards what will become (hopefully) a higher peak in fitness.

and for a season, burning out is peaking too early.

You can burnout from doing too much mileage too soon, but you can't peak from doing just mileage.
So they're not the same thing.

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

FK wrote:

runner_dude wrote:

at first he was going about 8 min/mile at 155 bpm, and by the end of the winter he was going 5:55 min/mile at the same heart rate.

I'm gonna have to call bull shit on that.

I would have to agree.

It's true though.

He was running around 80-90 mpw during the winter, so the results came fast. He's also oober talented. He dropped his 3200 pr from like 9:45 to 9:15 this year, and he says it was because of the HRM.

I'd say it's because of the 80-90 mpw. You saying that your teammate said it was because of an HRM is what we call anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence is often BULLSHIT.

funrunner wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

FK wrote:

runner_dude wrote:

at first he was going about 8 min/mile at 155 bpm, and by the end of the winter he was going 5:55 min/mile at the same heart rate.

I'm gonna have to call bull shit on that.

I would have to agree.

It's true though.

He was running around 80-90 mpw during the winter, so the results came fast. He's also oober talented. He dropped his 3200 pr from like 9:45 to 9:15 this year, and he says it was because of the HRM.

I'd say it's because of the 80-90 mpw. You saying that your teammate said it was because of an HRM is what we call anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence is often BULLSHIT.

Does saying BULLSHIT in all capitalized letters make you feel like a big boy?

He's been running 80ish mpw for the past 2 years, and when he started using the HRM he had a breakthrough season.

RWS, can I sue you for making this thread without my consent?

This arguing is driving me crazy.

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FK wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

FK wrote:Peaking early and burning out are somewhat the same thing, but peaking is something every runner does.

are we talking carreers or seasons?

When you're training for XC, your base is the start of your peak, and then the training you do in XC continues to move your fitness higher. Since your goal of the season is usually to do your best at the end of the year, you "peak" in fitness for the last meet. Then you take a break after Xc and start ding another base. This causes a dip and then the build towards what will become (hopefully) a higher peak in fitness.

and for a season, burning out is peaking too early.

You can burnout from doing too much mileage too soon, but you can't peak from doing just mileage.
So they're not the same thing.

ok i can can see that now.

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:RWS, can I sue you for making this thread without my consent?

This arguing is driving me crazy.

seems that you like arguing.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:RWS, can I sue you for making this thread without my consent?

This arguing is driving me crazy.

seems that you like arguing.

Not about Heart rate monitors. It seems like some people will always like to use them, and some people will always be against them.

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:RWS, can I sue you for making this thread without my consent?

This arguing is driving me crazy.

seems that you like arguing.

Not about Heart rate monitors. It seems like some people will always like to use them, and some people will always be against them.

lol ya i guess so. it's your thread, you want it locked?

No, I dont really care. People are always talking about HRMs, so why not just keep this thread here.

ok, but don't complain.

HR monitors are trash.

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:RWS, can I sue you for making this thread without my consent?

This arguing is driving me crazy.

It wasn't RWS.