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I would recommend investing in a heart rate monitor, and keep your HR between 140 and 160 for most of your mileage. This will help you avoid burnout, and you'll be running at the ideal pace your body needs to improve, and the improvements will be amazing. When you start out you'll probably be going ridiculously slow at 140-160 bpm. But after 1-2 weeks your heart will become stronger and you'll be able to hold a faster pace at the same HR. A kid on my team started using a HRM over the winter, and at first he was going about 8 min/mile at 155 bpm, and by the end of the winter he was going 5:55 min/mile at the same heart rate. I'm not saying your improvements will be that drastic, but it will definitely help you a lot.
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How did your heart rate situation work out?HXC_Runner2012 wrote:AudienceOfOne wrote: peaking and burning out are basically the same thing.
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But to the OP, I would recommend investing in a heart rate monitor, and keep your HR between 140 and 160 for most of your mileage. This will help you avoid burnout, and you'll be running at the ideal pace your body needs to improve, and the improvements will be amazing. When you start out you'll probably be going ridiculously slow at 140-160 bpm. But after 1-2 weeks your heart will become stronger and you'll be able to hold a faster pace at the same HR. A kid on my team started using a HRM over the winter, and at first he was going about 8 min/mile at 155 bpm, and by the end of the winter he was going 5:55 min/mile at the same heart rate. I'm not saying your improvements will be that drastic, but it will definitely help you a lot.
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at first he was going about 8 min/mile at 155 bpm, and by the end of the winter he was going 5:55 min/mile at the same heart rate.
I'm gonna have to call bull shit on that.
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I would have to agree.runner_dude wrote:at first he was going about 8 min/mile at 155 bpm, and by the end of the winter he was going 5:55 min/mile at the same heart rate.
I'm gonna have to call bull shit on that.
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that does seem a little drastic but heart rate monitors do work...i used one all winter and started out really bad at like 10min/mile at 160 heartrate and ended up at 8min/mile at 160 heartrate. i screwed my track season though cuz i didn't continue heartrate stuff with my trainer and did crap my coach told me to do and started hating running and didn't care...
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What pace were you going at before you used the monitor?BA_Sadie. wrote:that does seem a little drastic but heart rate monitors do work...i used one all winter and started out really bad at like 10min/mile at 160 heartrate and ended up at 8min/mile at 160 heartrate. i screwed my track season though cuz i didn't continue heartrate stuff with my trainer and did crap my coach told me to do and started hating running and didn't care...
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like 8:30 pace..which was to fast for me.
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But now you're doing 8:00 pace? I don't get it, how does the HR monitor actually help you?
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okay i was running 8:30 pace before i actually got a base and learned to burn fat when i run instead of carbs so that i didn't waste energy. so i was running too fast at the time by the end of the winter when i was running slow for a long time like 10min pace my body learned to burn fat instead of carbs and then i could run faster with my heart rate down. so i would run 8:00 pace at a 160bpm. instead of 8:30 pace at 180bpm or w/e. now im running around 9:00 pace cuz im starting over again since i screwed track..by the end of the summer though ill be at least around 8:00 pace hopefully faster. hope that answers your question..i honestly don't know that much about it just what my trainer told me and i know it works.
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I shall end this once and for all!
Fat burning zone = myth.
Their is no magic HR at which your body starts to burn fat. In order to burn fat you have to RUN OUT OF CARBS, which usually involves working out at an aerobic level for long periods of time. And guess what? The fat burning HR zone is nothing but an intensity that your body can maintain for a period long enough to burn all of those carbs and start burning fat. Your whole "teach the body to burn fat" thing is BULLSHIT. Going from 8:00 pace to 5:55 pace at 160 BPM is BULLSHIT. This thread is achieving critical levels of BULLSHIT.
BULLSHIT!!!!!
Fat burning zone = myth.
Their is no magic HR at which your body starts to burn fat. In order to burn fat you have to RUN OUT OF CARBS, which usually involves working out at an aerobic level for long periods of time. And guess what? The fat burning HR zone is nothing but an intensity that your body can maintain for a period long enough to burn all of those carbs and start burning fat. Your whole "teach the body to burn fat" thing is BULLSHIT. Going from 8:00 pace to 5:55 pace at 160 BPM is BULLSHIT. This thread is achieving critical levels of BULLSHIT.
BULLSHIT!!!!!
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That's good news for me.funrunner wrote:I shall end this once and for all!
Fat burning zone = myth.
Their is no magic HR at which your body starts to burn fat. In order to burn fat you have to RUN OUT OF CARBS, which usually involves working out at an aerobic level for long periods of time. And guess what? The fat burning HR zone is nothing but an intensity that your body can maintain for a period long enough to burn all of those carbs and start burning fat. Your whole "teach the body to burn fat" thing is BULLSHIT. Going from 8:00 pace to 5:55 pace at 160 BPM is BULLSHIT. This thread is achieving critical levels of BULLSHIT.
BULLSHIT!!!!!
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funrunner wrote:I shall end this once and for all!
Fat burning zone = myth.
Their is no magic HR at which your body starts to burn fat. In order to burn fat you have to RUN OUT OF CARBS, which usually involves working out at an aerobic level for long periods of time. And guess what? The fat burning HR zone is nothing but an intensity that your body can maintain for a period long enough to burn all of those carbs and start burning fat. Your whole "teach the body to burn fat" thing is BULLSHIT. Going from 8:00 pace to 5:55 pace at 160 BPM is BULLSHIT. This thread is achieving critical levels of BULLSHIT.
BULLSHIT!!!!!
Thanks to us bullshitters.
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okay tell that to ryan hall and meb.
heartrates help you to increase your aerobic fitness so that your actually running at an easy pace not just what you think is easy you may be running 8:30 pace which may seem easy but your working harder than you think which will hurt you in the end. if you use a heart rate you don't work to hard and you increase your aerobic fitness by running slow...which causes you to burn fat instead of carbs. why do you think this is a myth and if it is why would great runners like men by into it?
heartrates help you to increase your aerobic fitness so that your actually running at an easy pace not just what you think is easy you may be running 8:30 pace which may seem easy but your working harder than you think which will hurt you in the end. if you use a heart rate you don't work to hard and you increase your aerobic fitness by running slow...which causes you to burn fat instead of carbs. why do you think this is a myth and if it is why would great runners like men by into it?
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I think we have an argument in the making... 
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no im sick of arguing this...i don't know all the science crap about it i just did what my trainer told me to do and i saw improvements. thats all i need..
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my heart is gud anyway. don't need no monititofer it.
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HXC_Runner2012 wrote:AudienceOfOne wrote: peaking and burning out are basically the same thing.
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No.
But to the OP, I would recommend investing in a heart rate monitor, and keep your HR between 140 and 160 for most of your mileage. This will help you avoid burnout, and you'll be running at the ideal pace your body needs to improve, and the improvements will be amazing. When you start out you'll probably be going ridiculously slow at 140-160 bpm. But after 1-2 weeks your heart will become stronger and you'll be able to hold a faster pace at the same HR. A kid on my team started using a HRM over the winter, and at first he was going about 8 min/mile at 155 bpm, and by the end of the winter he was going 5:55 min/mile at the same heart rate. I'm not saying your improvements will be that drastic, but it will definitely help you a lot.
yes, they are......
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Peaking early and burning out are somewhat the same thing, but peaking is something every runner does.
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WAIT WTF
I NEVER MADE THIS THREAD
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I NEVER MADE THIS THREAD
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it was movedHXC_Runner2012 wrote:WAIT WTF
I NEVER MADE THIS THREAD
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Split.AudienceOfOne wrote:it was movedHXC_Runner2012 wrote:WAIT WTF
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are we talking carreers or seasons?FK wrote:Peaking early and burning out are somewhat the same thing, but peaking is something every runner does.
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same thingFK wrote:Split.AudienceOfOne wrote:it was movedHXC_Runner2012 wrote:WAIT WTF
I NEVER MADE THIS THREAD
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(on the subject of heart rate moniters):
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I think h/r moniters are good tools for keeping track of your progress (keeps you honest...if you say running 7:30 per mile is easy for you, your h/r will reflect that). Especially if you're prone to going all out on training runs or if you have a particular workload/mileage that you should be doing.
Our coach is going to have us use h/r moniters next year after going through blood lactate testing, simply to make sure we're optimizing training. It's not "magic," but when used correctly, it's helpful (I think!).
-shrug-
I think h/r moniters are good tools for keeping track of your progress (keeps you honest...if you say running 7:30 per mile is easy for you, your h/r will reflect that). Especially if you're prone to going all out on training runs or if you have a particular workload/mileage that you should be doing.
Our coach is going to have us use h/r moniters next year after going through blood lactate testing, simply to make sure we're optimizing training. It's not "magic," but when used correctly, it's helpful (I think!).
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Oh. OK.