Abortion

Germany4Euro08 wrote:Same here, I would vote conservative on the moral issues alone.

I'd say taking away the freedom of a live and healthy woman is a lot less moral than taking away the freedoms of an unborn baby.

thelagwagon wrote:I'd say taking away the freedom of a live and healthy woman is a lot less moral than taking away the freedoms of an unborn baby.

I don't agree. Does freedom of speech mean anything to you? What kind of say does that baby have? None. You're killing something before you even give it rights that belong to all human beings.

Germany4Euro08 wrote:I don't agree. Does freedom of speech mean anything to you? What kind of say does that baby have? None. You're killing something before you even give it rights that belong to all human beings.

We don't have to protect the rights of things which aren't human, even if they will become humans. Is wearing a condom during sex murder, because you are stopping a baby from being born, just because we don't want that baby to exist?

thelagwagon wrote:

Germany4Euro08 wrote:I don't agree. Does freedom of speech mean anything to you? What kind of say does that baby have? None. You're killing something before you even give it rights that belong to all human beings.

We don't have to protect the rights of things which aren't human, even if they will become humans. Is wearing a condom during sex murder, because you are stopping a baby from being born, just because we don't want that baby to exist?

Life begins at the moment of conception, so no that would not be murder. However abortion happens afterwards, and thus is killing a living human being.

Germany4Euro08 wrote:

thelagwagon wrote:

Germany4Euro08 wrote:I don't agree. Does freedom of speech mean anything to you? What kind of say does that baby have? None. You're killing something before you even give it rights that belong to all human beings.

We don't have to protect the rights of things which aren't human, even if they will become humans. Is wearing a condom during sex murder, because you are stopping a baby from being born, just because we don't want that baby to exist?

Life begins at the moment of conception, so no that would not be murder. However abortion happens afterwards, and thus is killing a living human being.

completely agree, FK.

^^me too

see im a little lopsided about abortion.
i think that if i were to get raped okay and i go to the hospital right after and then take a pill which will make me have my period early and get all the sperm and crap out of my system so that no baby is born that its fine because theres no heart beat nothing its not formed at all it would be later but its not yet. however if you are 6 mos. pregnant and you decide to have an abortion thats wrong because you are killing a live person. thats my thoughts. i always get in fights about this at school cuz everyone will go NOOOO ABORTION IS BAD ALL THE WAY and they won't listen to anything.

BA_Sadie. wrote:see im a little lopsided about abortion.
i think that if i were to get raped okay and i go to the hospital right after and then take a pill which will make me have my period early and get all the sperm and crap out of my system so that no baby is born that its fine because theres no heart beat nothing its not formed at all it would be later but its not yet. however if you are 6 mos. pregnant and you decide to have an abortion thats wrong because you are killing a live person. thats my thoughts. i always get in fights about this at school cuz everyone will go NOOOO ABORTION IS BAD ALL THE WAY and they won't listen to anything.

If your child didn't turn out the way you wanted him to would you kill him? Not the same thing but almost.

im against abortion. i dont think its right to take the life from someone before they can have a say in it, as someone said^^^^^^^^^^

no thats not the same thing at all. lol theres no baby born if you take that pill like the night of nothing has formed at alllllll.

that was to FK

thelagwagon wrote:

Germany4Euro08 wrote:Same here, I would vote conservative on the moral issues alone.

I'd say taking away the freedom of a live and healthy woman is a lot less moral than taking away the freedoms of an unborn baby.

the issue wasnt about an unborn baby. it was born so it was a human and probably got killed 5 minutes after it was born because the mother didnt want it. i think that woman and whoever supported her needs to be shot or something.

futureNIKErunner wrote:im against abortion. i dont think its right to take the life from someone before they can have a say in it, as someone said^^^^^^^^^^

same here. only thought tho, and this maybe the only exception i have against abortion and it is if a woman is raped or the pregnancy is detrimental to her health and in those cases i still would say no but i would be not as angry if someone did under those circumstances. and as far as the morning after pill, i think thats more for like an oops sex session and u just dont use a condom(if you do this your kinda stupid tho) or for if the condom breaks, or for if a woman is raped. i dont think its meant to be used for the stupid ones who just dont use condoms but somehow they are able to do it. i guess tho i would prefer that over abortion anyday.

im against abortion, unless the person got like raped or something. if u didnt want a baby you should've been more dam careful.

EpicFail wrote:Life begins at the moment of conception, so no that would not be murder. However abortion happens afterwards, and thus is killing a living human being.

Well if you are talking spiritually or whatever, then why isn't a condom just as evil? You are stopping a baby from being born, just because you don't want that baby to exist. It's the same scenario, parents don't want child born, so they stop it from existing. Isn't that just as morally wrong as an abortion, according to you? Or, if 'life begins at conception', are women murdering humans when they take morning-after pills?

But if you are talking scientifically, then you are wrong. A foetus isn't a living organism, it doesn't meet the requirements for any definition of 'life' I've heard. Unless you are talking about late abortions.

thelagwagon wrote:

EpicFail wrote:Life begins at the moment of conception, so no that would not be murder. However abortion happens afterwards, and thus is killing a living human being.

Well if you are talking spiritually or whatever, then why isn't a condom just as evil? You are stopping a baby from being born, just because you don't want that baby to exist. It's the same scenario, parents don't want child born, so they stop it from existing. Isn't that just as morally wrong as an abortion, according to you? Or, if 'life begins at conception', are women murdering humans when they take morning-after pills?

But if you are talking scientifically, then you are wrong. A foetus isn't a living organism, it doesn't meet the requirements for any definition of 'life' I've heard. Unless you are talking about late abortions.

I did a research projecton stem cell research and one source I found said that an international committee determined that life began at conception.

FK wrote:I did a research projecton stem cell research and one source I found said that an international committee determined that life began at conception.

It's a strange coincidence, but I just did a research project about stem cells as well. It was a big one, 2000 page essay and all research had to be documented and stuff. It was for university entrance credits. Although it was more about the actual process, rather than controversy and stuff.

What committee is that? I did a google search, all I can find is christian groups declaring it. It might be someone with scientific credit, I'm not saying it isn't, but I couldn't find any.

thelagwagon wrote:

FK wrote:I did a research projecton stem cell research and one source I found said that an international committee determined that life began at conception.

It's a strange coincidence, but I just did a research project about stem cells as well. It was a big one, 2000 page essay and all research had to be documented and stuff. It was for university entrance credits. Although it was more about the actual process, rather than controversy and stuff.

What committee is that? I did a google search, all I can find is christian groups declaring it. It might be someone with scientific credit, I'm not saying it isn't, but I couldn't find any.

I'll look it up and get back to you.

i think that everyone believes that killing is wrong....so why is it ok to kill a baby???

mae2937 wrote:i think that everyone believes that killing is wrong....so why is it ok to kill a baby???

It goes back to a Harry Potter quote. "Remember, if the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right and what is easy..."

Abortion would be the easy way to get out of having a child but that doesn't necessarily mean it's right.

I don't remeber creating this discussion! Oh dear, what have I started now...

mae2937 wrote:i think that everyone believes that killing is wrong....so why is it ok to kill a baby???

Killing isn't wrong. You kill animals to eat, you put down poison to kill insects coming into your house. It's only wrong to kill humans, and that's what we are debating, if we can give human rights to unborn humans.

um i meant that killing humans is wrong...i thought that was just understood

and babies are human, they have a heart beat, eyes, fingernails

have you ever felt a baby kick inside its mom womb...because when i felt my little brother kick i knew that he was human without a doubt...

thelagwagon wrote:I don't remeber creating this discussion! Oh dear, what have I started now...

mae2937 wrote:i think that everyone believes that killing is wrong....so why is it ok to kill a baby???

Killing isn't wrong. You kill animals to eat, you put down poison to kill insects coming into your house. It's only wrong to kill humans, and that's what we are debating, if we can give human rights to unborn humans.

I split it from the other one.

mae2937 wrote:um i meant that killing humans is wrong...i thought that was just understood

and babies are human, they have a heart beat, eyes, fingernails

have you ever felt a baby kick inside its mom womb...because when i felt my little brother kick i knew that he was human without a doubt...

Babies are humans, but embryos aren't babies. For sure, spiritually you had a connection, but when your brother was an embryo at least, he wasn't a human.

spirituall we had a connection...you cant physcially feel "spiritual" things....and spiritual things are things related to God...so if i felt him please tell me how that is spiritual??? I just dont get it an embryo is a baby and a human....what is non-human about it