Skipping Cross Country

runnr4life877 wrote:How long do you guys suggest I devote to base? I have 7-8+ months till track...I don't want to get burned out either.

i read somewhere to take 4-6 months, but that still leaves u with 2-3 months till track and you dont want to peak to early.
for now, i would just aim for that amount of time.

runnr4life877 wrote:How long do you guys suggest I devote to base? I have 7-8+ months till track...I don't want to get burned out either.

Look in that link I gave you. It's the lydiard method. There's a thing in there to make your own schedule and you count back and it shows you how much time you have for base. You might have to adjust it though because it's designed for only one race. It's really useful though. You could probably have 6-7 months for base, then 1 month for the hill phase, then start anaerobic stuff in track. Read the whole thing. I found it interesting. It explains what each run and workout is doing for you.

Dude, build a crazy epic base. 7-8 months is plenty of time to build up from 20 mpw to 80+ mpw (that may be a little extreme). You would then need to switch to the 1600 and 3200.
















































































































































Lydiard is slightly outdated and probably isn't really the best for a 800m/400m specialist.

futureNIKErunner wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Germany4Euro08 wrote:

PCNQtrack wrote:But he could have peaked too soon and had a crappy outdoor if he did that

If you're training for 400m, you could just peak at that like you would in XC and then use the fitness later on in indoor and outdoor. It's no different.

+1, sprinters can peak in fitness too.

for like the 100m too?

yep.

funrunner wrote:Dude, build a crazy epic base. 7-8 months is plenty of time to build up from 20 mpw to 80+ mpw (that may be a little extreme). You would then need to switch to the 1600 and 3200.

Lydiard is slightly outdated and probably isn't really the best for a 800m/400m specialist.

Did you have to make that post take up the whole page? And how can a coach become outdated?
It's not like human physiology has dramatically evolved in the past 50 years.

And getchyo facts straight, boy!

Lydiard trained many 800m specialists, including Snell, who won gold in the olympics.

Guess who else trains using the Lydiard princibles. I'll give you a clue. His name starts with Ry, and ends with an Hall.

But you would probably benefit more if you chose the 1600 or 3200. And building from 20 to 80 mpw in 7-8 months isn't extreme at all. That's like 4% increase each week, or something.

Thanks for all the advice everyone.

Starting my "epicly long base" July 1. Gives me about a month and a half of rest.

400 runners can benifit greatly from XC. More endurance = less fatigue comming down the home straight, and they higher mileage means they can handle more intervals come track.

FWIW, I beat out the best 400m runner in the province at XC provincials this year . I crossed the line, collapsed and when I saw him above me a few seconds later I was like 'wtf? I beat John Doe!?!'

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

funrunner wrote:Dude, build a crazy epic base. 7-8 months is plenty of time to build up from 20 mpw to 80+ mpw (that may be a little extreme). You would then need to switch to the 1600 and 3200.

Lydiard is slightly outdated and probably isn't really the best for a 800m/400m specialist.

Did you have to make that post take up the whole page? And how can a coach become outdated?
It's not like human physiology has dramatically evolved in the past 50 years.

And getchyo facts straight, boy!

Lydiard trained many 800m specialists, including Snell, who won gold in the olympics.

Guess who else trains using the Lydiard princibles. I'll give you a clue. His name starts with Ry, and ends with an Hall.

But you would probably benefit more if you chose the 1600 or 3200. And building from 20 to 80 mpw in 7-8 months isn't extreme at all. That's like 4% increase each week, or something.

I'd say it has somewhat, what branch of science hasn't changed in 50 years? A book called Brain Training for Runners came out a few years ago, and while it was mostly made up of training plans, it did have a pretty good argument for the importance of the brain in running.

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

funrunner wrote:Dude, build a crazy epic base. 7-8 months is plenty of time to build up from 20 mpw to 80+ mpw (that may be a little extreme). You would then need to switch to the 1600 and 3200.

Lydiard is slightly outdated and probably isn't really the best for a 800m/400m specialist.

Did you have to make that post take up the whole page? And how can a coach become outdated?
It's not like human physiology has dramatically evolved in the past 50 years.

And getchyo facts straight, boy!

Lydiard trained many 800m specialists, including Snell, who won gold in the olympics.

Guess who else trains using the Lydiard princibles. I'll give you a clue. His name starts with Ry, and ends with an Hall.

But you would probably benefit more if you chose the 1600 or 3200. And building from 20 to 80 mpw in 7-8 months isn't extreme at all. That's like 4% increase each week, or something.

Human physiology has not changed since Lydiard. Our KNOWLEDGE of human physiology HAS changed. And for someone who isn't doing XC and is focusing on the 800 and 400 (likely out of dislike for longer distances), Lydiard training is simply not going to be enjoyable or effective. And for some reason I get the impression that the OP is a HS girl. 80 mpw is pretty extreme for any HS girl, regardless of the time spent building up to it.

Ehh...I'm a guy. Also, I haven't ran the mile/two mile not because I dislike them, but because I never had the chance. The coach always put me in the 800, which I do enjoy though.

at our school you are expect to buy way over $200 worth of "stuff" i think most sports around my area end up costing something, but is your $200 like just to run without buying all of the stuff or is the stuff included

AudienceOfOne wrote:

futureNIKErunner wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

Germany4Euro08 wrote:

PCNQtrack wrote:But he could have peaked too soon and had a crappy outdoor if he did that

If you're training for 400m, you could just peak at that like you would in XC and then use the fitness later on in indoor and outdoor. It's no different.

+1, sprinters can peak in fitness too.

for like the 100m too?

yep.

thats weird, didnt know that of course

funrunner wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

funrunner wrote:Dude, build a crazy epic base. 7-8 months is plenty of time to build up from 20 mpw to 80+ mpw (that may be a little extreme). You would then need to switch to the 1600 and 3200.

Lydiard is slightly outdated and probably isn't really the best for a 800m/400m specialist.

Did you have to make that post take up the whole page? And how can a coach become outdated?
It's not like human physiology has dramatically evolved in the past 50 years.

And getchyo facts straight, boy!

Lydiard trained many 800m specialists, including Snell, who won gold in the olympics.

Guess who else trains using the Lydiard princibles. I'll give you a clue. His name starts with Ry, and ends with an Hall.

But you would probably benefit more if you chose the 1600 or 3200. And building from 20 to 80 mpw in 7-8 months isn't extreme at all. That's like 4% increase each week, or something.

Human physiology has not changed since Lydiard. Our KNOWLEDGE of human physiology HAS changed. And for someone who isn't doing XC and is focusing on the 800 and 400 (likely out of dislike for longer distances), Lydiard training is simply not going to be enjoyable or effective. And for some reason I get the impression that the OP is a HS girl. 80 mpw is pretty extreme for any HS girl, regardless of the time spent building up to it.

1.)The original poster is a guy.

2.)What changes in our knowledge of human physiology would change our views on Lydiard? We still know that the more aerobic exercise you do, the more efficient your cardiovascular system works. And that's pretty much the basis of the Lydiard plan. What do you suggest he do? Tons of intervals? That will hurt him much more than tons of mileage.

3.) WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FK???