Free will independent of cause and effect?

Who here thinks that we are humans that make decisions with no correlation to cause and effect? Just curious, because this is a pretty popular debate.

Quantum mechanics say that there is such a thing as a random variable.

/end thread.

Every action has a equal or opposite re-action

ProtestTheZero wrote:Quantum mechanics say that there is such a thing as a random variable.

/end thread.

What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying that all free will is is just randomness? In that case I take it you believe electrons circling an atom also have as much "free will" as we do.

Running With Scissors wrote:Every action has a equal or opposite re-action

Or to make this post more relevant, every reaction is caused by a certain action (IE: cause and effect). That makes it one tick mark for Nay, and zero for Yay.

ProtestTheZero wrote:Quantum mechanics say that there is such a thing as a random variable.

/end thread.

that was a terrible point and not worth of the /thread tag

SourWorms wrote:

ProtestTheZero wrote:Quantum mechanics say that there is such a thing as a random variable.

/end thread.

that was a terrible point and not worth of the /thread tag

+1, but i think he was just trying to be funny with the /thread thing.

Nay

SourWorms wrote:

ProtestTheZero wrote:Quantum mechanics say that there is such a thing as a random variable.

/end thread.

that was a terrible point and not worth of the /thread tag

NO U.

The thread is about how much cause and effect dictates the progression of events. Since quantum mechanics are truly random, cause and effect is not an infinite, predetermined sequence.

THEREFORE, THIS THREAD IS OVER. Infinite cause and effect is an imaginary concept. Free will has nothing to do with it, and free will only exists to the extent that random variables allow multiple paths for the universe to proceed down.

ProtestTheZero wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

ProtestTheZero wrote:Quantum mechanics say that there is such a thing as a random variable.

/end thread.

that was a terrible point and not worth of the /thread tag

NO U.

The thread is about how much cause and effect dictates the progression of events. Since quantum mechanics are truly random, cause and effect is not an infinite, predetermined sequence.

THEREFORE, THIS THREAD IS OVER. Infinite cause and effect is an imaginary concept. Free will has nothing to do with it, and free will only exists to the extent that random variables allow multiple paths for the universe to proceed down.

so you contend that the universe is predetermined?

I contend that your face is predetermined

thelagwagon wrote:I contend that your face is predetermined

I contend that if faces are predetermined, abortion is wrong.

ProtestTheZero wrote:

SourWorms wrote:

ProtestTheZero wrote:Quantum mechanics say that there is such a thing as a random variable.

/end thread.

that was a terrible point and not worth of the /thread tag

NO U.

The thread is about how much cause and effect dictates the progression of events. Since quantum mechanics are truly random, cause and effect is not an infinite, predetermined sequence.

THEREFORE, THIS THREAD IS OVER. Infinite cause and effect is an imaginary concept. Free will has nothing to do with it, and free will only exists to the extent that random variables allow multiple paths for the universe to proceed down.

We understood your post the first time,and I agree that it quantum mechanics are random. But did you even read my other post?

How can you compare human free will to that of electrons swirling around in a cloud? Do they have as much "free will" as us?

Don't be stupid. Free will exists. Anyone who argues universal determinism is defying common sense.

If there was no free will there would be no sins.

FK wrote:If there was no free will there would be no sins.

+1, therefore anyone who believes there is no free will is anti-god in a way.

To the creator of this thread: change your picture, you look like an immense douchebag

God already planned for our actions and knows what we are going to do
before we do them. And having no free will doesn't mean we are
completely predictible, because there are too many variables (causes)
to predict the outcomes (effects).

If we make a decision, you are saying that we don't take into account
any of the past decisions we made that are similar? That makes no
sense.

And how about we let everyone else decide who the douchebags are VVVV

Still an idiot. Give up. You have cute ideas: simple, but cute.

Universal determinism depends on the assumption that no event can possibly be random.

Common sense reminds me of countless events which do not depend on any predetermining vector, yielding completely random results.

Bago, look at your display picture and call me a douchebag again

Yeah, I'm sorry you just embarrased yourself rather blatently.

Umm...I never called you a douchebag. Did you forget to log back into adonai's account? Because that's what it looks like... And I would like to see this "common sense" that proves there is no cause and effect linked with free will. I already gave you examples and proved my point, but you have yet to prove yours.

And keep getting angry, it makes this so much more fun for me.

BagoXC25 wrote:Umm...I never called you a douchebag. Did you forget to log back into adonai's account? Because that's what it looks like... And I would like to see this "common sense" that proves there is no cause and effect linked with free will. I already gave you examples and proved my point, but you have yet to prove yours.

And keep getting angry, it makes this so much more fun for me.

yes you did, or do you have that bad of a memory?

Well I guess I forgot that you and adonai are the same person, because I called adonai a douchebag, therefor also calling you a douchebag. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

You are the only one who still thinks that, all of the moderators already know the truth, but for some reason you will not accept fact. If you look at your post you directed the "douchebags" title to the two of us in that picture.