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runner_dude wrote:

ProtestTheZero wrote:

runner_dude wrote:
People in the middle east have been fighting for millennia. It goes back before the Ottomans. It goes back before the Crusades. It goes back before the time of Mohammed. It goes back before Christ, Ghandi, Moses, even Abraham. It's foolish to think that we'll be able to make peace where every effort over the past 5000+ years have failed.

Are you high? So we shouldn't try because people have been fighting for a long time? And no one has ever invaded a country in the middle east with the intention of developing the area before. I don't know how any of that is even relevant.

Having your troops there isn't going to stop the violence. And while I'm all for peace, I'm also pragmatic enough to realize that it isn't going to happen, and theres not much the US can do about it.

That is ridiculously narrow minded. With time the country will change, there isn't a reason to think it won't. Pragmatic and pessimistic are entirely different. A troop presence will change the culture eventually. We just need a troops surge.

I still thing we should have nuke the crap out of them. (but that could have started world war 3 which would have been bad)

runner_dude wrote:
People in the middle east have been fighting for millennia. It goes back before the Ottomans. It goes back before the Crusades. It goes back before the time of Mohammed. It goes back before Christ, Ghandi, Moses, even Abraham. It's foolish to think that we'll be able to make peace where every effort over the past 5000+ years have failed.

So that means we don't even try? We don't even have to make peace just to improve the area would be a big accomplishment.

On a side note, I think this will be one of the downfalls of our world power status. What are China and India doing right now? Building up everything they can so they can beat us, while we use 500 billion dollars on a war.

ProtestTheZero wrote:

runner_dude wrote:

ProtestTheZero wrote:

runner_dude wrote:
People in the middle east have been fighting for millennia. It goes back before the Ottomans. It goes back before the Crusades. It goes back before the time of Mohammed. It goes back before Christ, Ghandi, Moses, even Abraham. It's foolish to think that we'll be able to make peace where every effort over the past 5000+ years have failed.

Are you high? So we shouldn't try because people have been fighting for a long time? And no one has ever invaded a country in the middle east with the intention of developing the area before. I don't know how any of that is even relevant.

Having your troops there isn't going to stop the violence. And while I'm all for peace, I'm also pragmatic enough to realize that it isn't going to happen, and theres not much the US can do about it.

That is ridiculously narrow minded. With time the country will change, there isn't a reason to think it won't. Pragmatic and pessimistic are entirely different. A troop presence will change the culture eventually. We just need a troops surge.

Yes, because people love having foreign troops running around thier country. It'll change their cutlure, but not for the better.

Bush is an idiot. This point can not be argued. He's stupid. End of discussion.

Bush has created an incredibly unstable situation by invading Iraq. History has shown that this won't end well. Remember those Russians in Afghanistan? Remember what happened after they left? The fucking Taliban happened, that's what! (Different circumstances, but the situation is still relevant.) So we can't just leave, but staying is just a drain on our economy. As much as I'd like to say that Obama has a solution to this pickle, their is a good chance he doesn't.

The fact is Bush put our country in an incredibly bad situation. He attacked a country based on faulty intelligence, destroyed that nation's government, and did it all without an exit strategy. He is undoubtebly one of the worst Presidents in the history of our nation. Not only did he butcher our foreign policy, but he also helped break our thriving economy. At the end of the Clinton administration we were experiencing one of the longest periods of economic prosperity in American history. Bush didn't like that, so he put an end to it.

Sure, Bush did his best, but that's why you don't let complete idiots run a country. Their best just isn't good enough. You don't make a D student Valedictorian because he does his best, do you? So why should we show Bush sympathy because he tries really really hard (which he also kind of doesn't do)?

i honestly doubt any other president would have done it much better

having a brotherinlaw that was in iraq i disagree that it was not worthwhile. yea i dont like the idea of war but he was there and he said that alot of good was happening we just dont see it because the media chooses to show the bad.

Pinthin wrote:okay, so we just chill over here and wait for someone else to attack us? =/ What were you suppose to do after 9/11?? Most countries go to war after being attacked

You're totally right, the US had been attacked, and had to defend itself. The problem is, Iraq and Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Actually, Saddam was a sunni muslim, and spent a lot of his time killing shia muslim groups like Al Qaeda. But, because of the post 9/11 confusion, the US government managed to convince everyone that attacking Iraq would be fighting back against terror. Which is why you always see politicians struggling to find reasons why they went to war. Because, now there are no weapons of mass destruction, there is absolutely no reason to be there, or to have gone there in the first place. Al Qaeda, globally, have gotten stronger since the war started. Nothing's been gained by anyone, and the world is less secure than in 2002.

You can't argue that, if you try you're a moron

funrunner wrote:Bush is an idiot. This point can not be argued. He's stupid. End of discussion.

Bush has created an incredibly unstable situation by invading Iraq. History has shown that this won't end well. Remember those Russians in Afghanistan? Remember what happened after they left? The fucking Taliban happened, that's what! (Different circumstances, but the situation is still relevant.) So we can't just leave, but staying is just a drain on our economy. As much as I'd like to say that Obama has a solution to this pickle, their is a good chance he doesn't.

The fact is Bush put our country in an incredibly bad situation. He attacked a country based on faulty intelligence, destroyed that nation's government, and did it all without an exit strategy. He is undoubtebly one of the worst Presidents in the history of our nation. Not only did he butcher our foreign policy, but he also helped break our thriving economy. At the end of the Clinton administration we were experiencing one of the longest periods of economic prosperity in American history. Bush didn't like that, so he put an end to it.

Sure, Bush did his best, but that's why you don't let complete idiots run a country. Their best just isn't good enough. You don't make a D student Valedictorian because he does his best, do you? So why should we show Bush sympathy because he tries really really hard (which he also kind of doesn't do)?

I think we have less of a selection of good presidents every year, even though we should have more with a bigger population. Maybe the media scares them all off lol.

BA_Sadie. wrote:i honestly doubt any other president would have done it much better

Clinton would..but i don't think he swings that way

I really love how a bunch of 15 year olds think they're smarter than the president of the United States.

You think you know everything about the war, and the reasons we're there.
If it were as simple as "OK, let's leave the war", we would have left the middle east a LONG time ago. So stop whining about it.

hey we had to invade Iraq, they had WMDs which could have been used to kill everyone!

oh wait...dammit, they didn't

my bad everyone

Just Because wrote:

BA_Sadie. wrote:i honestly doubt any other president would have done it much better

Clinton would..but i don't think he swings that way

he was too busy doing an intern.

Pinthin wrote:

Just Because wrote:

BA_Sadie. wrote:i honestly doubt any other president would have done it much better

Clinton would..but i don't think he swings that way

he was too busy doing an intern.

exactlyyyyyyy.

BA_Sadie. wrote:i honestly doubt any other president would have done it much better

That's because just about any other President would have been too smart to do it at all.

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:I really love how a bunch of 15 year olds think they're smarter than the president of the United States.

You think you know everything about the war, and the reasons we're there.
If it were as simple as "OK, let's leave the war", we would have left the middle east a LONG time ago. So stop whining about it.

What's funny is I actually DO believe I'm smarter than the President of the United States. Not only did he get rejected from a number of schools in his day, but he also abused alcohol, marijuana, and possibly cocaine. The dude is your classic stoned slacker. We made him President.

funrunner wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:I really love how a bunch of 15 year olds think they're smarter than the president of the United States.

You think you know everything about the war, and the reasons we're there.
If it were as simple as "OK, let's leave the war", we would have left the middle east a LONG time ago. So stop whining about it.

What's funny is I actually DO believe I'm smarter than the President of the United States. Not only did he get rejected from a number of schools in his day, but he also abused alcohol, marijuana, and possibly cocaine. The dude is your classic stoned slacker. We made him President.

where did you hear that

funrunner wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:I really love how a bunch of 15 year olds think they're smarter than the president of the United States.

You think you know everything about the war, and the reasons we're there.
If it were as simple as "OK, let's leave the war", we would have left the middle east a LONG time ago. So stop whining about it.

What's funny is I actually DO believe I'm smarter than the President of the United States. Not only did he get rejected from a number of schools in his day, but he also abused alcohol, marijuana, and possibly cocaine. The dude is your classic stoned slacker. We made him President.

OMG! FOR REAL!?!?YOU ARE A GOD!

B.B.B.....BULLSHIT

TnF_T wrote:

funrunner wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:I really love how a bunch of 15 year olds think they're smarter than the president of the United States.

You think you know everything about the war, and the reasons we're there.
If it were as simple as "OK, let's leave the war", we would have left the middle east a LONG time ago. So stop whining about it.

What's funny is I actually DO believe I'm smarter than the President of the United States. Not only did he get rejected from a number of schools in his day, but he also abused alcohol, marijuana, and possibly cocaine. The dude is your classic stoned slacker. We made him President.

OMG! FOR REAL!?!?YOU ARE A GOD!

B.B.B.....BULLSHIT

Dude, most of us on here are probably smarter than that man. If we're not just plain more intelligent, then we definitely have more common sense.

Edit: I'm not really sure what you were saying with that post.

funrunner wrote:

TnF_T wrote:

funrunner wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:I really love how a bunch of 15 year olds think they're smarter than the president of the United States.

You think you know everything about the war, and the reasons we're there.
If it were as simple as "OK, let's leave the war", we would have left the middle east a LONG time ago. So stop whining about it.

What's funny is I actually DO believe I'm smarter than the President of the United States. Not only did he get rejected from a number of schools in his day, but he also abused alcohol, marijuana, and possibly cocaine. The dude is your classic stoned slacker. We made him President.

OMG! FOR REAL!?!?YOU ARE A GOD!

B.B.B.....BULLSHIT

Dude, most of us on here are probably smarter than that man. If we're not just plain more intelligent, then we definitely have more common sense.

Edit: I'm not really sure what you were saying with that post.

He's saying that everything, including the idea that you're smarter than than the leader of the one of the greatest countries in the world, is complete bull sheeeeeet.

Bush is not a smart man. The thing about the job of President is that you don't need to have a very impressive history to get it. He was a stoner, an underachiever, and he has depended on his father's reputation for every school he's gotten into and every job he has gotten.

Bush is stupid. He is one of the worst Presidents in our nation's history. The sooner people get used to that fact, the sooner we can elect a good President.

funrunner wrote: The thing about the job of President is that you don't need to have a very impressive history to get it.

You are truly, utterly, without a doubt, special.

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

funrunner wrote: The thing about the job of President is that you don't need to have a very impressive history to get it.

You are truly, utterly, without a doubt, special.

Care to explain?

funrunner wrote:

HXC_Runner2012 wrote:

funrunner wrote: The thing about the job of President is that you don't need to have a very impressive history to get it.

You are truly, utterly, without a doubt, special.

Care to explain?

Well, there are average people, the types who don't make stupid non-sense comments. Then there's you. Most people are average, but you aren't. Therefore, you are special. Understand?