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    Post by FinishingKick Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:26 pm

    I forgot what topic it was that I first said this on, but look at this.

    No-man's Land. In Figure 7, you will see that there are 3 shaded areas, between R and I, between I and T and between T and E. Except for MP (between T & E) these are "No man's land of training. Training intensities that fall into 'No man's land," are either too easy or too hard to reap the benefits you want. You are not, as may sometimes be assumed, achieving the purpose of training the two systems on either side of the chosen intensity. What you are doing might be termed, "Quality-junk" training. At the least, it is training aimed at accomplishing an unidentifiable purpose. Always have a purpose for every training session; ask yourself the following questions: "What system do I hope to improve by doing this workout,' and 'What am I really trying to accomplish?"
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    Post by NotChangingUntilSub5 Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:24 pm

    Any actual info backing this up, or just a graph?
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    Post by FinishingKick Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:33 pm

    It's from Daniels...again. look around
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    Post by NotChangingUntilSub5 Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:39 pm

    I should have known from all the ridiculous quantification.
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    Post by xotrackkgirl Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:12 pm

    ah.. I'm honestly confused. :/
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    Post by NotChangingUntilSub5 Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:17 pm

    xotrackkgirl wrote:ah.. I'm honestly confused. :/
    Buy Jack Daniels book OR YOU WILL NEVER GET FASTER AGAIN ZOMG.

    Take the propaganda elsewhere.
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    Post by FinishingKick Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:29 pm

    NotChangingUntilSub5 wrote:I should have known from all the ridiculous quantification.
    You should have known from my previous posts lol.
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    Post by hxc Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:40 pm

    There was a thread about this a while ago on Dyestat. There was quite the LULZFEST.
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    Post by FinishingKick Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:42 pm

    If someone can find the old topic where I was trying to explain this then post the link.

    And HXC, if you don't have an approved account on Dyestat, why do you go on there?
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    Post by ND XC 23 Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:45 pm

    FinishingKick wrote:If someone can find the old topic where I was trying to explain this then post the link.

    And HXC, if you don't have an approved account on Dyestat, why do you go on there?

    hes probably just creeping
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    Post by hxc Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:52 pm

    FinishingKick wrote:And HXC, if you don't have an approved account on Dyestat, why do you go on there?

    Because I like to read some of the threads?
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    Post by ButterySmoothStride Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:09 pm

    Daniels' book highlights the 5 most important training intensities. BUT I don't think the human body can be as simple as he makes it out to be, and he definitely is exaggerating by calling these paces "junk". The body will respond to stress, this is a fact. You don't go out for a run at 6:20 pace and have your body say "WTF? My VDOT calls for 6:05 pace. I'm gonna pretend that run never happened and not adapt in any way."
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    Post by FinishingKick Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:46 pm

    RawBeginner wrote:Daniels' book highlights the 5 most important training intensities. BUT I don't think the human body can be as simple as he makes it out to be, and he definitely is exaggerating by calling these paces "junk". The body will respond to stress, this is a fact. You don't go out for a run at 6:20 pace and have your body say "WTF? My VDOT calls for 6:05 pace. I'm gonna pretend that run never happened and not adapt in any way."
    That's not what he's saying. If you go in between tempo and interval, you're not really working a specific body system, whereas if you run at tempo you get the direct benefits of a tempo and interval the direct benefits there.
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    Post by ButterySmoothStride Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:00 pm

    FinishingKick wrote:
    RawBeginner wrote:Daniels' book highlights the 5 most important training intensities. BUT I don't think the human body can be as simple as he makes it out to be, and he definitely is exaggerating by calling these paces "junk". The body will respond to stress, this is a fact. You don't go out for a run at 6:20 pace and have your body say "WTF? My VDOT calls for 6:05 pace. I'm gonna pretend that run never happened and not adapt in any way."
    That's not what he's saying. If you go in between tempo and interval, you're not really working a specific body system, whereas if you run at tempo you get the direct benefits of a tempo and interval the direct benefits there.

    I understand what he is saying, but I just really disagree with calling all other paces "junk"....I think that's an exaggeration considering how many guys train in between the paces all the time and do well.
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    Post by FinishingKick Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:18 am

    Well it's quality-junk, it's just not as good to train between tempo and interval for two consecutive workouts than to do one at tempo and one at interval.
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    Post by AudienceOfOne Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:00 pm

    most of daniel's stuff is legit. idk about this though.

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