Change the voting age

In addition, Washington was against two parties.

No American will ever be drafted again.

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...no really do you actually believe that?

FinishingKick wrote:In addition, Washington was against two parties.

Yes. Our own senator was rejected by the democratic party and then came back as an independent and ended up winning. It is sad that a man that stands to dismiss bipartisonship gets rejected by his own man.

No but really, since we're throwing out age limits lets just not let women vote either. I mean they just vote for whatever the man says right? Or lets not let hispanics vote either because they must not be able to understand what the candidates are saying anyways.
...fucking ignorant shits

CT Track wrote:

FinishingKick wrote:In addition, Washington was against two parties.

Yes. Our own senator was rejected by the democratic party and then came back as an independent and ended up winning. It is sad that a man that stands to dismiss bipartisonship gets rejected by his own man.

No but really, since we're throwing out age limits lets just not let women vote either. I mean they just vote for whatever the man says right? Or lets not let hispanics vote either because they must not be able to understand what the candidates are saying anyways.
...fucking ignorant shits

i was trying to make the same point. if we do that it moves us even farther towards a communist country. just what we need right?..

The human doesn't fully mature until well after 18, so he has a point.

CT Track wrote:

No American will ever be drafted again.

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...no really do you actually believe that?

Um, yeah. The majority of voters today are far too afraid of getting drafted to vote for it to be reinstated. It would be political suicide for a president/candidate to even suggest reinstating the draft.

Tell that to the selected services program.

yes i also said that. im sure there are some 18 year olds a lot more mature than some 28 year olds it isnt about maturity level. once you are 18 you are considered an adult whether you are or not. with that comes the right to vote. if your going to move the voting age up your saying that someone that age is not an adult and therefore shouldnt be tried as an adult for doing crimes and shouldnt be pressured as much because they arent adults why should they care. as a country we dont do enough by putting responsibility on people. we have people out there who killed someone but were deemed mentally incompetent when they did it. so they go to an asylum. get out on good behavior. how is that fair to anyone else who killed someone who is sitting on death row. it isnt. people shouldnt have different options of punishment for that. if you kill someone you need the same punishment as anyone else who does. not saying that killing someone for killing someone is a good thing to do. a lot of people that do it are deadbeats who would rather sit in jail and use the system then be out and have to work and everything.

Um, yeah. The majority of voters today are far too afraid of getting
drafted to vote for it to be reinstated. It would be political suicide
for a president/candidate to even suggest reinstating the draft.

While your point is correct for smaller wars like Iraq and Afghanistan, the draft would probably be reinstated if a country like China were to ever attack the United States, and the government declare that they were to blame. Other than that hypothetical, which I doubt would ever happen, you're right.

The American citizen will have no say in the draft. The government has a way of bending the constitution or even blatently ignoring it and still getting away with it. They bended the rules to create selective service. Now if there were to be no draft, why would the government create such a program? They broke the rules when they created the patriot act. I'm not trying to say there will be a draft, but there will most definitely be one if there is a clear threat to national or global security.

ok what is selective service exactly. as i girl i have no clue. all i know is that boys are supposed to register, if thats even correct.

xc_babe09 wrote:ok what is selective service exactly. as i girl i have no clue. all i know is that boys are supposed to register, if thats even correct.

"compulsory military service" google dictionary

The selective service is something all 18 year old males have to register for. If you don't comply with it you can recieve up to 5 years in jail or a legal bond that's more than your college tuition. It's used to track potential citizens if a draft was ever required again.

RawBeginner wrote:

Pinthin wrote:When liberals cant vote, your thinking like soviet Russia or Nazi Germany, When it comes from preventing people to vote your committing discrimination based on their thoughts. If it wasn't for liberals our country wouldn't have progressed like it has I.E SLAVERY.

Our country was founded by liberals (George Washington etc..) what they did was radical, (like liberals) . I mean they over threw a established government to create their own.

You need both liberals and republicans, w/out either of them our country would be screwed up.

They overthrew the government because it was oppressive....kinda like the democratic party today. BTW, Washington would have never supported universal healthcare and super-high taxes. He believed that government should protect the rights of the people, not that government should control every aspect of peoples' lives. He was liberal by 18th century standards, he wouldn't be considered liberal at all today...

OH I know today he wouldn't be considered liberal, but for "back then" standards he was.

Pinthin wrote:

RawBeginner wrote:

Pinthin wrote:When liberals cant vote, your thinking like soviet Russia or Nazi Germany, When it comes from preventing people to vote your committing discrimination based on their thoughts. If it wasn't for liberals our country wouldn't have progressed like it has I.E SLAVERY.

Our country was founded by liberals (George Washington etc..) what they did was radical, (like liberals) . I mean they over threw a established government to create their own.

You need both liberals and republicans, w/out either of them our country would be screwed up.

They overthrew the government because it was oppressive....kinda like the democratic party today. BTW, Washington would have never supported universal healthcare and super-high taxes. He believed that government should protect the rights of the people, not that government should control every aspect of peoples' lives. He was liberal by 18th century standards, he wouldn't be considered liberal at all today...

OH I know today he wouldn't be considered liberal, but for "back then" standards he was.

What is your point then? Conservatives are good? Thanks?

If you pay taxes, you should be able to vote. Remember that whole deal about taxation without representation?

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ProtestTheZero wrote:No, I'm preventing people from voting based on age, not thoughts. You are acting like I said "Change the voting age to being old enough to not be a pussy liberal" no "Change it to 28" There are liberals and conservatives on both sides of that line, I just happen to believe that clearly SOMETHING changes in people as they age, because almost universally, people become more conservative with age. Therefore, allowing only older people to vote protects the FUTURE INTERESTS of the younger generation.
As I always say, fuck the conservatives, they are so goddamn retarded.

alright so your saying you want to raise it because older people are more qualified, but you also said older people are more conservative which implies you only want older people to vote because they tend to be more conservative.

ProtestTheZero wrote:
As I always say, fuck the liberals, they are so goddamn stupid.

There are a lot of liberals much much smarter than you, and in fact your idea that liberals are socialists only perpetuates the ignorant image you paste of yourself. If you want to call someone stupid, then i suggest that you try to sound intelligent and listen to something besides Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

Pinthin wrote:You need both liberals and republicans, w/out either of them our country would be screwed up.

ProtestTheZero wrote:First off, no we don't. Socialists contribute nothing to society but bitchy ideals that can never function in practice. Secondly, the fact that we have two parties fucks our country up very badly. The majority of politicians today are arguing over tax rates, and completely ignoring the other solution to our deficit, make the country richer. Increasing taxation is going to drive wealth out of America and force increased taxation again, viscious cycle, ya hurd?

As I always say, fuck the liberals, they are so goddamn stupid.

First off not all liberals are socialists, just like not all conservatives are religious nut jobs, racists, or southern rednecks. While there are some socialist liberals, they are not the majority, and many liberals are quite moderate like most conservatives. As for saying socialists do nothing, It is not true, many socialists have done good things for our country, like the homestead act of 1862 which redistributed public land to those who didn't have it, which was championed by an early socialist group. Socialists also played a huge part in the early union movements which secured basic labor rights for the workers in this country. Also some socialist ideals do work in practice, like the Scandinavian countries, which combine the best of both the capitalist and socialist worlds, which is why they have the highest quality of life in the modern world. yeah they still have problems, but they show that socialism can function in some environments.

Secondly the fact that we have two political parties is actually a result of how our founding fathers set up this country. Did they intend to create two political parties no, but they did intend to create factions so no one group could gain control, and screw up this country. This is all laid out in Essay number 10 of the Federalist Papers which was written by James Madison, who came up with most of the theory behind the constitution. As for the solution to the defect, I have two, the first is to teach idiot conservatives like Bush that you can't spend money you don't have or don't have coming to you, which is kind of a basic economic concept. As for the tax rates, guess which country has the third lowest taxes in the industrialized world? The United States, so if we raise taxes it will put us in the middle of the pack when it comes to taxes, besides there are so many loopholes in the tax codes, that many major companies and wealthy individuals pay less in taxes then what the tax rates say they should. As for the wealth leaving where are they going to go to? Most companies have already outsourced much of their manufacturing to third world countries, under the fairly business friendly policies of Reagan and Bush the 1st. And the owners of the business are unlikely to leave the United States to go to places where the taxes are higher or where the quality of life is terrible, so the risk of wealth leaving is very minimal.

sorry if that was reallly long and didnt make any sense. And some parts may have been slightly off topic.

runner_dude wrote:If you pay taxes, you should be able to vote. Remember that whole deal about taxation without representation?

Plenty of people under 18, including myself, have worked jobs and payed taxes. Nice try, though.

ProtestTheZero wrote:

Pinthin wrote:

RawBeginner wrote:

Pinthin wrote:When liberals cant vote, your thinking like soviet Russia or Nazi Germany, When it comes from preventing people to vote your committing discrimination based on their thoughts. If it wasn't for liberals our country wouldn't have progressed like it has I.E SLAVERY.

Our country was founded by liberals (George Washington etc..) what they did was radical, (like liberals) . I mean they over threw a established government to create their own.

You need both liberals and republicans, w/out either of them our country would be screwed up.

They overthrew the government because it was oppressive....kinda like the democratic party today. BTW, Washington would have never supported universal healthcare and super-high taxes. He believed that government should protect the rights of the people, not that government should control every aspect of peoples' lives. He was liberal by 18th century standards, he wouldn't be considered liberal at all today...

OH I know today he wouldn't be considered liberal, but for "back then" standards he was.

What is your point then? Conservatives are good? Thanks?

Victory?

RawBeginner wrote:

runner_dude wrote:If you pay taxes, you should be able to vote. Remember that whole deal about taxation without representation?

Plenty of people under 18, including myself, have worked jobs and payed taxes. Nice try, though.

so maybe we should lower it to 16

RawBeginner wrote:

ProtestTheZero wrote:

Pinthin wrote:

RawBeginner wrote:

Pinthin wrote:When liberals cant vote, your thinking like soviet Russia or Nazi Germany, When it comes from preventing people to vote your committing discrimination based on their thoughts. If it wasn't for liberals our country wouldn't have progressed like it has I.E SLAVERY.

Our country was founded by liberals (George Washington etc..) what they did was radical, (like liberals) . I mean they over threw a established government to create their own.

You need both liberals and republicans, w/out either of them our country would be screwed up.

They overthrew the government because it was oppressive....kinda like the democratic party today. BTW, Washington would have never supported universal healthcare and super-high taxes. He believed that government should protect the rights of the people, not that government should control every aspect of peoples' lives. He was liberal by 18th century standards, he wouldn't be considered liberal at all today...

OH I know today he wouldn't be considered liberal, but for "back then" standards he was.

What is your point then? Conservatives are good? Thanks?

Victory?

ugh no.

George Washington today or anybody back in that time, today would seem like a hardcore conservative compared to us. It doesn't change the fact he was a liberal "back then".

ergh

Pinthin wrote:

RawBeginner wrote:

runner_dude wrote:If you pay taxes, you should be able to vote. Remember that whole deal about taxation without representation?

Plenty of people under 18, including myself, have worked jobs and payed taxes. Nice try, though.

so maybe we should lower it to 16

Maybe we should.