IMPORTANT...Refute if you can.

CT Track wrote:I'm trying to understand his statement. Clearly you're supposed to follow the ten commandments as they are the premise of most Christian religions. I'm just trying to figure out how something so ignorant is required by a religious outake. Is he supposed to be assuming the role of God or is he merely a disciple trying to pave a road for my weary mind?

Matthew 25, the Great commision. it was the last thing Jesus said as a man, so it's obviously important. but he never told us to shove it up you butt.

AudienceOfOne wrote:

CT Track wrote:God is your conscience. God is not a living form of matter that creates miracles. I believe in most of the morals that the presence of God creates, but I do not believe he is an actual thing that watches over us. I refuse to believe I am put on this world to serve them. If you believe in something other than God you go to hell? I don't take too many classes on politics, but I do believe that is communism.

no it'd be a dictatorship. but our dictator loves us so much that he was willing to put himself in a human body and get tortured just so he wouldn't have to live without us. show me a dictator that loves you so much to do that.

+1

Dictatorships are meant to be utopia, the rulers just always get greedy with their power and ruin it. God isn't like that.

FinishingKick wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

CT Track wrote:God is your conscience. God is not a living form of matter that creates miracles. I believe in most of the morals that the presence of God creates, but I do not believe he is an actual thing that watches over us. I refuse to believe I am put on this world to serve them. If you believe in something other than God you go to hell? I don't take too many classes on politics, but I do believe that is communism.

no it'd be a dictatorship. but our dictator loves us so much that he was willing to put himself in a human body and get tortured just so he wouldn't have to live without us. show me a dictator that loves you so much to do that.

+1

Dictatorships are meant to be utopia, the rulers just always get greedy with their power and ruin it. God isn't like that.

i like that miler i never thought about it like that.

P2 wrote:ok.....so looks like i missed something. if people are actually offended by a religion argument thread than wow...but i guess ill stop. im evangelist so its kinda a duty to me to press beliefs.

its not the religion threads its the threads that get overtaken by it. im religious too. im just not interested in getting into an argument with someone over it because it wont make a difference.

so one of the vids said the wage of sin is death...


what about a new born infant, or maybe still in the womb, and he or she dies. does this make the baby a sinner. a baby who cannot have sinned while inside the mothers womb, and yet they die. to me this proves that death comes to all, good and bad, but whether or not there is an after life...well...that's all up to what you believe

also...what about the eternal damnation thing...does this not prove that there is, was, and always will be time. and if there is, was, and allways will be time...does this not mean that there is, was, and allways will be matter.


someone may have said what i already said...but i didn't read through all the posts. theres alot

walks_no_where wrote:so one of the vids said the wage of sin is death...


what about a new born infant, or maybe still in the womb, and he or she dies. does this make the baby a sinner. a baby who cannot have sinned while inside the mothers womb, and yet they die. to me this proves that death comes to all, good and bad, but whether or not there is an after life...well...that's all up to what you believe

also...what about the eternal damnation thing...does this not prove that there is, was, and always will be time. and if there is, was, and allways will be time...does this not mean that there is, was, and allways will be matter.


someone may have said what i already said...but i didn't read through all the posts. theres alot

the baby didn't sin, so why are you saying it will go to hell? you're basicly contradicting yourself. the baby will probably go to heaven, but who know, and who decides what's evil and what isn't? God is sovereign.

everyone's body dies. when paul says that the wages of sin is death, he means that if you sin, you go to hell. he went on to say that Jesus Christ sacrificed his life so the rest of the world could have salvation if they chose it.

and about you little picture, they spelled "atheists" wrong. and what's with the 33 AD thing? if atheists believe Jesus didn't exist, why say that?

AudienceOfOne wrote:

walks_no_where wrote:so one of the vids said the wage of sin is death...


what about a new born infant, or maybe still in the womb, and he or she dies. does this make the baby a sinner. a baby who cannot have sinned while inside the mothers womb, and yet they die. to me this proves that death comes to all, good and bad, but whether or not there is an after life...well...that's all up to what you believe

also...what about the eternal damnation thing...does this not prove that there is, was, and always will be time. and if there is, was, and allways will be time...does this not mean that there is, was, and allways will be matter.


someone may have said what i already said...but i didn't read through all the posts. theres alot

the baby didn't sin, so why are you saying it will go to hell? you're basicly contradicting yourself. the baby will probably go to heaven, but who know, and who decides what's evil and what isn't? God is sovereign.

everyone's body dies. when paul says that the wages of sin is death, he means that if you sin, you go to hell. he went on to say that Jesus Christ sacrificed his life so the rest of the world could have salvation if they chose it.

and about you little picture, they spelled "atheists" wrong. and what's with the 33 AD thing? if atheists believe Jesus didn't exist, why say that?

i guess what i was trying to prove is not that the baby will go to hell (though i never said that the baby goes to hell) but rather that the guy was wrong when he said that only those who sin die. atleast that's the way i took it.


haha...and yes they did spell it wrong...and i don't exactly knwo what you mean by the 33 AD thing. but i'm guessing that they used AD because there is no other time system that we go by that most people will understand. everyone (christian or not) goes by the AD, BC thing. in america that i knwo of any way

walks_no_where wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

walks_no_where wrote:so one of the vids said the wage of sin is death...


what about a new born infant, or maybe still in the womb, and he or she dies. does this make the baby a sinner. a baby who cannot have sinned while inside the mothers womb, and yet they die. to me this proves that death comes to all, good and bad, but whether or not there is an after life...well...that's all up to what you believe

also...what about the eternal damnation thing...does this not prove that there is, was, and always will be time. and if there is, was, and allways will be time...does this not mean that there is, was, and allways will be matter.


someone may have said what i already said...but i didn't read through all the posts. theres alot

the baby didn't sin, so why are you saying it will go to hell? you're basicly contradicting yourself. the baby will probably go to heaven, but who know, and who decides what's evil and what isn't? God is sovereign.

everyone's body dies. when paul says that the wages of sin is death, he means that if you sin, you go to hell. he went on to say that Jesus Christ sacrificed his life so the rest of the world could have salvation if they chose it.

and about you little picture, they spelled "atheists" wrong. and what's with the 33 AD thing? if atheists believe Jesus didn't exist, why say that?

i guess what i was trying to prove is not that the baby will go to hell (though i never said that the baby goes to hell) but rather that the guy was wrong when he said that only those who sin die. atleast that's the way i took it.


haha...and yes they did spell it wrong...and i don't exactly knwo what you mean by the 33 AD thing. but i'm guessing that they used AD because there is no other time system that we go by that most people will understand. everyone (christian or not) goes by the AD, BC thing. in america that i knwo of any way

actually the scientific community uses C.E. and B.C.E.

but whatevs

walks_no_where wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

walks_no_where wrote:so one of the vids said the wage of sin is death...


what about a new born infant, or maybe still in the womb, and he or she dies. does this make the baby a sinner. a baby who cannot have sinned while inside the mothers womb, and yet they die. to me this proves that death comes to all, good and bad, but whether or not there is an after life...well...that's all up to what you believe

also...what about the eternal damnation thing...does this not prove that there is, was, and always will be time. and if there is, was, and allways will be time...does this not mean that there is, was, and allways will be matter.


someone may have said what i already said...but i didn't read through all the posts. theres alot

the baby didn't sin, so why are you saying it will go to hell? you're basicly contradicting yourself. the baby will probably go to heaven, but who know, and who decides what's evil and what isn't? God is sovereign.

everyone's body dies. when paul says that the wages of sin is death, he means that if you sin, you go to hell. he went on to say that Jesus Christ sacrificed his life so the rest of the world could have salvation if they chose it.

and about you little picture, they spelled "atheists" wrong. and what's with the 33 AD thing? if atheists believe Jesus didn't exist, why say that?

i guess what i was trying to prove is not that the baby will go to hell (though i never said that the baby goes to hell) but rather that the guy was wrong when he said that only those who sin die. atleast that's the way i took it.


haha...and yes they did spell it wrong...and i don't exactly knwo what you mean by the 33 AD thing. but i'm guessing that they used AD because there is no other time system that we go by that most people will understand. everyone (christian or not) goes by the AD, BC thing. in america that i knwo of any way

at the bottom of the pic it says
ATHIESTS
Winning since 33 AD.

33 AD was about when Jesus was crucified. why would they put that if they don't believe in Jesus?

I believe the quote is the important factor, not the joke of some fat white guys in their basement.

CT Track wrote:I believe the quote is the important factor, not the joke of some fat white guys in their basement.

oh so now i'm fat and white?

AudienceOfOne wrote:

CT Track wrote:I believe the quote is the important factor, not the joke of some fat white guys in their basement.

oh so now i'm fat and white?

haha ...

you never know

They didn't believe he was the true son of god, but they believed he existed.

Pinthin wrote:

AudienceOfOne wrote:

CT Track wrote:I believe the quote is the important factor, not the joke of some fat white guys in their basement.

oh so now i'm fat and white?

haha ...

you never know

hahhaha its funny cuz its true.

FinishingKick wrote:They didn't believe he was the true son of god, but they believed he existed.

of course jesus existed. there were hundreds of people named jesus.

What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing

from: http://everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

Running With Scissors wrote:What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing

from: [url=http://everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

http://everystudent.com/features/isthere.html [/quote[/url]] yea i know. we all do. what i'm saying is that jesus was a popular name back the, like matt or john is now. saying you believe jesus walked the earth is like saying 2+2=4.

That was for sour worms not you. I know you believe.