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    too much treadmill? fitness?

    Post by running_violet on Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:46 pm

    okay, well i posted this same thing in RW but, i'll post it here to for those who don't post on RW anymore.

    okay, so this week out of my mere 25 miles (i'm trying to build up right now...coach doesn't want me over 25 but w/e) annyway...out of my 25 miles this week, about 15 of them were on the treadmill.
    normally i try to do no more than 1 run a week on the treadmill (it's usually my tempo or speedwork ) but however this week's winter weather has been harsher than normal and next week's is supposed to be pretty bad too.
    if i bring my music i'm fine with running on the treadmill but my question is...
    am i getting in less shape on the treadmill than i would be outside?
    normally if i run outside my 5 mile time is about 4 minutes slower than it is on the treadmill, so i was hoping that if i just ran a little faster on the treadmill than i would have outside than it will make up for it.
    what do you think?

    btw, i'm an 8th grade girl. and one last question...
    how much mileage this winter do you think is too much for my age? during the summer my top was 31. i had a good xc season and hoping for a better track season so should i just get up to 30 during the winter?

    thankkss Smile
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    Re: too much treadmill? fitness?

    Post by spartanrunner on Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:58 pm

    Personally, I can't stand running on a treadmill.
    But that isn't your question.

    You are never going to get as much out of a run on a treadmill as you would on solid ground, due to the fact that there is no terrain variation.

    How to make up for it?
    My only answer is to run for a longer period of time and at slightly elevated pace then what you normally do for the same type run outside.
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    Re: too much treadmill? fitness?

    Post by Kugar on Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:59 pm

    Are you building back from an injury?

    My only issue with treadmills is that they do tend to have a surface that's really tough on your legs, impact-wise, if you are doing heavy mileage. I would definitely make the effort to get outside. If there's snow, find a park that won't freeze over and plow your way through. Stay off roads and sidewalks if they are icy, and if you can't go out definitely do some supplemental biking and swimming.

    If you have to run on a treadmill, moniter your h/r so that you can get a good gauge of effort. You don't want to overextend by going too fast, and you should keep your h/r in the same range as you do when you are running outside. I don't mean that it's an exact science, but it will keep you from hurting yourself or, alternately, hurting your fitness level.

    I think thirty miles/week is fine, and I would even go a little higher if it doesn't feel like enough for you. Just make sure that it's QUALITY. 30 mpw of long, easy stuff isn't going to make you better at sprints/middle distance. Get a workout from your coach or an older teammate so you don't miss anything.

    Good luck!
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    Re: too much treadmill? fitness?

    Post by running_violet on Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:34 am

    Kugar wrote:Are you building back from an injury?

    My only issue with treadmills is that they do tend to have a surface that's really tough on your legs, impact-wise, if you are doing heavy mileage. I would definitely make the effort to get outside. If there's snow, find a park that won't freeze over and plow your way through. Stay off roads and sidewalks if they are icy, and if you can't go out definitely do some supplemental biking and swimming.

    If you have to run on a treadmill, moniter your h/r so that you can get a good gauge of effort. You don't want to overextend by going too fast, and you should keep your h/r in the same range as you do when you are running outside. I don't mean that it's an exact science, but it will keep you from hurting yourself or, alternately, hurting your fitness level.

    I think thirty miles/week is fine, and I would even go a little higher if it doesn't feel like enough for you. Just make sure that it's QUALITY. 30 mpw of long, easy stuff isn't going to make you better at sprints/middle distance. Get a workout from your coach or an older teammate so you don't miss anything.

    Good luck!

    thanks for the reply Smile
    and no, i'm not coming back from an injury. i'm just building up for like base training.
    by quality...30 miles of all tempo or what?
    about the bolded part...i thought that is what base is supposed to be w/ like one tempo run a week...?
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    Post by Phuckduck on Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:59 am

    you don't need to do tempo's at all right now unless you want to. a treadmill is fine if thats all you can access, just run for the same time at the same effort that you would on normal ground. if you can, get a heart moniter and then you will know how fast to run and it will translate back to solid ground. its just harder on a treadmill, but cardio is cardio
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    Post by 5280ft on Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:41 am

    I don't think you need to be going over 30 miles a week in 8th grade. I'm not an expert though, so don't take my word for it. Still, 8th grade really doesn't matter, you are likely still growing, and you have 4 more years where you will be putting in some serious work. I guess see what other people say...

    As for treadmill, its ok but make sure you focus on your form. I ran on the treadmill a lot last year and found that my form really deteriorated, especially how I landed on my foot, I became a big heel striker. I'd reccomend going at the same pace as outdoor runs, but put the incline up to 1%.
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    Re: too much treadmill? fitness?

    Post by T B K on Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:13 pm

    Kugar wrote:Are you building back from an injury?

    My only issue with treadmills is that they do tend to have a surface that's really tough on your legs, impact-wise, if you are doing heavy mileage. I would definitely make the effort to get outside. If there's snow, find a park that won't freeze over and plow your way through. Stay off roads and sidewalks if they are icy, and if you can't go out definitely do some supplemental biking and swimming.

    If you have to run on a treadmill, moniter your h/r so that you can get a good gauge of effort. You don't want to overextend by going too fast, and you should keep your h/r in the same range as you do when you are running outside. I don't mean that it's an exact science, but it will keep you from hurting yourself or, alternately, hurting your fitness level.

    I think thirty miles/week is fine, and I would even go a little higher if it doesn't feel like enough for you. Just make sure that it's QUALITY. 30 mpw of long, easy stuff isn't going to make you better at sprints/middle distance. Get a workout from your coach or an older teammate so you don't miss anything.

    Good luck!

    The whole point of base is to take it easy. Doing lots of quality mileage now will just leave you burned out later in the season. Save the quality training for track season.
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    Post by mentle bentle on Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:46 pm

    i would suggest staying off the treadmill as much as possible. It's boring and probably not as benefitial (just from my experience with it).
    Don't worry about high mileage or "quality". You're only in 8th grade. You'll have plenty of time to start doing higher mileage in your later high school years.
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    Post by ctk4xc11 on Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:32 pm

    I actually like running on the treadmill, Idk y, but I guess it just dosen't bother me. and anyways your not going to get as much out of the treadmill then you would outside, but if that is the only place you can run, then what can you do.
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    Post by ctk4xc11 on Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:40 pm

    thanks, this place still looks the same, which is pretty cool.
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    Post by runner_dude on Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:36 pm

    25-30 is fine for your age, although while you should be doing SOME track work, it would be better for long term development to be doing most of your stuff at Aerobic, easy paces.

    As for the treadmill, just keep the effort the same as it would be outside. Usually that means for me going a little bit faster to make up for lack of wind and hills.
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    Post by alex-likes-running on Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:56 pm

    not really answeirng the question, but im fine on the treadmill if im listening to an audiobook or watching a movie. otherwise its to boring.

    but the only time i have to run on a treadmill is when im like on vacation and dont know where to run.

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    Post by runner_dude on Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:19 am

    alex-likes-running wrote:not really answeirng the question, but im fine on the treadmill if im listening to an audiobook or watching a movie. otherwise its to boring.

    but the only time i have to run on a treadmill is when im like on vacation and don't know where to run.

    Running on vacation = the most fun. Exploring new places! When I was running shirtless in Italy in February people were giving me the strangest looks (And hollering incomprehensible things at me) but it was sooooo fun!
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    Post by Pinthin on Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:22 am

    runner_dude wrote:
    alex-likes-running wrote:not really answeirng the question, but im fine on the treadmill if im listening to an audiobook or watching a movie. otherwise its to boring.

    but the only time i have to run on a treadmill is when im like on vacation and don't know where to run.

    Running on vacation = the most fun. Exploring new places! When I was running shirtless in Italy in February people were giving me the strangest looks (And hollering incomprehensible things at me) but it was sooooo fun!

    Well not everyone gets to run shirtless in Italy.
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    Post by alex-likes-running on Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:30 am

    if i tried exploring, i'd probably end up getting lost. my sense of direction fails.

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    Post by Pinthin on Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:53 am

    alex-likes-running wrote:if i tried exploring, i'd probably end up getting lost. my sense of direction fails.

    They should a program on your ipod that just pauses your music then says "turn left", when you just put where you want to go or how long of a run. WOW I'm going to patent that...nobody steal it Suspect

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    Post by The Waterboy on Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:30 pm

    xc running gal wrote:okay, well i posted this same thing in RW but, i'll post it here to for those who don't post on RW anymore.

    okay, so this week out of my mere 25 miles (i'm trying to build up right now...coach doesn't want me over 25 but w/e) annyway...out of my 25 miles this week, about 15 of them were on the treadmill.
    normally i try to do no more than 1 run a week on the treadmill (it's usually my tempo or speedwork ) but however this week's winter weather has been harsher than normal and next week's is supposed to be pretty bad too.
    if i bring my music i'm fine with running on the treadmill but my question is...
    am i getting in less shape on the treadmill than i would be outside?
    normally if i run outside my 5 mile time is about 4 minutes slower than it is on the treadmill, so i was hoping that if i just ran a little faster on the treadmill than i would have outside than it will make up for it.
    what do you think?

    btw, i'm an 8th grade girl. and one last question...
    how much mileage this winter do you think is too much for my age? during the summer my top was 31. i had a good xc season and hoping for a better track season so should i just get up to 30 during the winter?

    thankkss Smile

    Wow I must be really stupid. It just occured to me that that was you that posted on RW.
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    Post by runner_dude on Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:38 am

    Pinthin wrote:
    alex-likes-running wrote:if i tried exploring, i'd probably end up getting lost. my sense of direction fails.

    They should a program on your ipod that just pauses your music then says "turn left", when you just put where you want to go or how long of a run. WOW I'm going to patent that...nobody steal it Suspect

    I think it's called GPS. And they have a patent on that, sorry.
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    Post by alex-likes-running on Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:04 am

    but its GPS on an ipod!!!

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    Post by runner_dude on Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:06 am

    It's called the iPhone.
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    oh snap.
    lol

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    Post by AudienceOfOne on Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:07 pm

    runner_dude wrote:
    alex-likes-running wrote:not really answeirng the question, but im fine on the treadmill if im listening to an audiobook or watching a movie. otherwise its to boring.

    but the only time i have to run on a treadmill is when im like on vacation and don't know where to run.

    Running on vacation = the most fun. Exploring new places! When I was running shirtless in Italy in February people were giving me the strangest looks (And hollering incomprehensible things at me) but it was sooooo fun!
    lol. that would be fun. when i went to washington dc i ran loops around the wahington monument.


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    runner_dude wrote:
    alex-likes-running wrote:not really answeirng the question, but im fine on the treadmill if im listening to an audiobook or watching a movie. otherwise its to boring.

    but the only time i have to run on a treadmill is when im like on vacation and don't know where to run.

    Running on vacation = the most fun. Exploring new places! When I was running shirtless in Italy in February people were giving me the strangest looks (And hollering incomprehensible things at me) but it was sooooo fun!

    When I was in Switzerland (sp?) last summer I got the chance to run along this lake with the alps in the background. I had to stop and just take it all in and that is where i realized why i loved running so much.

    Random thought, just wanted to share.
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    Post by Kugar on Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:33 pm

    T B K wrote:
    Kugar wrote:Are you building back from an injury?

    My only issue with treadmills is that they do tend to have a surface that's really tough on your legs, impact-wise, if you are doing heavy mileage. I would definitely make the effort to get outside. If there's snow, find a park that won't freeze over and plow your way through. Stay off roads and sidewalks if they are icy, and if you can't go out definitely do some supplemental biking and swimming.

    If you have to run on a treadmill, moniter your h/r so that you can get a good gauge of effort. You don't want to overextend by going too fast, and you should keep your h/r in the same range as you do when you are running outside. I don't mean that it's an exact science, but it will keep you from hurting yourself or, alternately, hurting your fitness level.

    I think thirty miles/week is fine, and I would even go a little higher if it doesn't feel like enough for you. Just make sure that it's QUALITY. 30 mpw of long, easy stuff isn't going to make you better at sprints/middle distance. Get a workout from your coach or an older teammate so you don't miss anything.

    Good luck!

    The whole point of base is to take it easy. Doing lots of quality mileage now will just leave you burned out later in the season. Save the quality training for track season.

    Running at 10 minute pace if you're a six-minute miler isn't going to do anything, even in base. You don't want to run tempo every day, of course, and you should watch it with the intervals, but base can't just be talk-pace for 30 mpw (IMO).

    But it really depends on your fitness level I guess. Definitely talk to your coach about to see how much of a base he wants on you before the start of your season.

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