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    Re: Where Did God Go?????

    Post by AudienceOfOne on Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:19 pm

    BagoXC25 wrote:Wow, someone actually understood me for once lol, thank you Wink . And I must say, this is the cleanest religion debate I have ever seen, but to get back on topic. I'm catholic and there are weird exceptions and rules, but the bottom line really is if you believe in Jesus then you go to heaven, because by believing in Jesus you are accepting God. Here is some clarification of some catholic practices that a lot of people don't understand.

    We have a priest because he has accepting the holy spirit into himself, given to him by the apostles, who got it from Jesus so that the apostles (and priest and bishops etc) could forgive sins and heal the sick and whatnot. Priests "married" to the church and so have a different spiritual bond with God than we do. We go through him to get our sacrement of reconciliation so God can forgive us for our sins. This does not mean we don't have to pray for forgiveness also though, which most people do. I pray because I feel bad after my sin and feel the need to confess it right away, along with recieving reconciliation. This is actually in the bible (John
    20:2223 for example.)

    The mortal sins I referred too are more serious because we are not just forgetting about God for that time, but we are completely cutting God from our lives by intentionally sinning, or premeditating a sin. Mortal, or "deadly" sins as the bible refers to them (1 John
    5:16-17), cannot be cleansed by praying alone and MUST be forgiven with the sacrement of reconciliation. Mortal sins include a whole lot of different things that most of do more than we would think. I can see how a lot of peole think catholic churches are just filled with a whole lot of extra non-sense, but I would just rather be doing too much to forgive my sins and get into heaven than too little if you know what I mean.

    This was not meant to promote my specific religion or to degrade other religions, but was just to clarify some things like I said.

    sorry Bago, i don't believe that. the bible says we repent for our sins, and He'll forgive and forget. why would you assume that you need to do a sacrement for that? why "MUST" you do that when that's not what the bible says? if the bible doesn't say it, then we're just making up our own rules, and that's not right with God.


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    Re: Where Did God Go?????

    Post by AudienceOfOne on Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:36 pm

    5280ft wrote:
    whenhen wrote:Audience: I can't swallow what you're saying. If I killed 17 people in cold blood, then decided god was real, and said "Well gee god, sorry for killing all those people, my bad," I'd go to heaven? Vs if I were an atheist whos life work was helping orphans in Africa get an education and a guaranteed meal day after day, I'd go to hell.

    If the killer decided, 'well God says if we ask, he will forgive, so I'll just say, sorry God, forgive me' he wouldn't be forgiven. Someone really needs to feel terrible for their deeds. If the serial killer did ask for forgiveness and felt it in his heart, he would be forgiven. What happened before doesn't matter. His sins are wiped away and he is a new person. Its like what he did earlier happened in a past life. So long as he actively tries to become a better person from then on.
    Even the most evil of people can be forgiven and brought to be wonderful.
    that goes to another point that's kind of off topic but i'll go there anyway. a lot of the "christians" you know today aren't really saved.

    in north america we have a real problem with evangelists telling people at their major events that if they just repeat the words i say, and you will be saved. then when a person like that doubts their salvation, so they go to their pastor and share their doubts. the pastor asked them if they "prayed" for their salvation, and the other peron says yes, so the pastor tells them they are saved. no.

    don't get me wrong, that's how people get saved. they TRULY believe, so they TRULY pray with all their heart that Jesus ould come into them and change their life, and they prayand promise they'll repent.

    BUT, say if i was late for school, so i ran there and got hit by a 18 wheel truck. i walk into school and tell my teacher i was late because i got hit by a truck. my teacher would either call me crazy or a liar. why? because you can't get hit by a truck and not be changed. Jesus is bigger than a truck. if he enters your heart, you'll be changed. that's how you know if a person's saved, not if they repeated a couple little words said by an evangelist at a mega church one day.


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    Re: Where Did God Go?????

    Post by Phuckduck on Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:54 pm

    QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?
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    Re: Where Did God Go?????

    Post by AudienceOfOne on Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:11 pm

    SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?
    i've seen it happen, but i think the lady was just being dramatic, because she translated it herself.

    honestly, i'm not sure though. i don't have enough knowlege or experience with it to decide.


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    Post by BagoXC25 on Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:28 pm

    I believe it did happen, but I don't think our modern world has seen it in awhile.

    And AoO, I gave references where the bible does say we need the sacriment of reconciliation to cleanse mortal sins.
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    Post by alex-likes-running on Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:06 pm

    SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?
    yes

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    alex-likes-running wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?
    yes

    lol how do you believe that

    thank you, i just wanted one person to say yes because it is the most ridiculous thing ever. believing in that is like worshipping the Easter Bunny
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    Post by Running With Scissors on Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:34 pm

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    SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?
    yes

    lol how do you believe that

    thank you, i just wanted one person to say yes because it is the most ridiculous thing ever. believing in that is like worshipping the Easter Bunny


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    Post by BagoXC25 on Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:40 pm

    Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.

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    Post by hxc on Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:09 am

    BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.

    Exactly, you just hope that he did.



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    Post by CT Track on Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:18 am

    I'm pretty sure I took sex ed. and biology and I know why my father is who he is. God? Umm....is he even a form of matter?
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    CT Track wrote:I'm pretty sure I took sex ed. and biology and I know why my father is who he is. God? Umm....is he even a form of matter?

    god is beyond matter duhhh Rolling Eyes

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    Post by funrunner on Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:48 am

    Running With Scissors wrote:
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    alex-likes-running wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?
    yes

    lol how do you believe that

    thank you, i just wanted one person to say yes because it is the most ridiculous thing ever. believing in that is like worshipping the Easter Bunny


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    Seriously dude, watch it. Easter Bunny worship is serious bizniz.
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    Re: Where Did God Go?????

    Post by whenhen on Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:53 am

    BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.
    Not really. You can't use any of your five senses to observe god, but you can look at the similar features of you and your father. For skeptics of god who can't feel it's presence, it's a bad analogy.
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    whenhen wrote:
    BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.
    Not really. You can't use any of your five senses to observe god, but you can look at the similar features of you and your father. For skeptics of god who can't feel it's presence, it's a bad analogy.

    yea, we were discussing this and some people who do believe end up hating god because he doesnt give them exactly what they want. now if i pray. what i receive i take as a gift of guidance because god doesnt always give us the easiest things or the things we want but he gives us the things we need. and idk about the skeptics but they just remain skeptics because they dont try or anything. they dont understand that in order to understand and accept god they have to trust him and believe in him. it doesnt just happen. which i think is the problem with some skeptics they want it to just come to them. but it cant. so thats how they remain. sorry if no one understands that.
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    Re: Where Did God Go?????

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    xc_babe09 wrote:
    whenhen wrote:
    BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.
    Not really. You can't use any of your five senses to observe god, but you can look at the similar features of you and your father. For skeptics of god who can't feel it's presence, it's a bad analogy.

    yea, we were discussing this and some people who do believe end up hating god because he doesnt give them exactly what they want. now if i pray. what i receive i take as a gift of guidance because god doesnt always give us the easiest things or the things we want but he gives us the things we need. and idk about the skeptics but they just remain skeptics because they dont try or anything. they dont understand that in order to understand and accept god they have to trust him and believe in him. it doesnt just happen. which i think is the problem with some skeptics they want it to just come to them. but it cant. so thats how they remain. sorry if no one understands that.

    the reason I became skeptical as I grew on wasn't because I couldn't "hear him" but I discovered evolution and all that. I guess your way could be why some become skeptical of him but I think more do it just because as they get older they realize it sounds kind of hokey/discover new ideas.
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    Post by CT Track on Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:48 am

    I expect nothing from God. I am mentally mature enough to realize that God is just an explanation for why things happen. God is bunched up into a matter of coincidences, miracles, and scientific happenings. If you believe in God, that's fine. But don't believe in God because you believe in heaven. Believe in God because you wish to better yourself and be a good person.
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    Post by alex-likes-running on Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:58 am

    funrunner wrote:
    Running With Scissors wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:
    alex-likes-running wrote:
    SourWorms wrote:QUESTION: Do any of you believe that the Holy Spirit actually can enter you and cause you to speak in "tongues"?
    yes

    lol how do you believe that

    thank you, i just wanted one person to say yes because it is the most ridiculous thing ever. believing in that is like worshipping the Easter Bunny


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    Seriously dude, watch it. Easter Bunny worship is serious bizniz.
    actually the most ridiculous thing ever is arguing over these matters. & funrunner's right, the easter bunny is serious biz.

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    Post by whenhen on Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:12 am

    Pinthin wrote:
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    whenhen wrote:
    BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.
    Not really. You can't use any of your five senses to observe god, but you can look at the similar features of you and your father. For skeptics of god who can't feel it's presence, it's a bad analogy.

    yea, we were discussing this and some people who do believe end up hating god because he doesnt give them exactly what they want. now if i pray. what i receive i take as a gift of guidance because god doesnt always give us the easiest things or the things we want but he gives us the things we need. and idk about the skeptics but they just remain skeptics because they dont try or anything. they dont understand that in order to understand and accept god they have to trust him and believe in him. it doesnt just happen. which i think is the problem with some skeptics they want it to just come to them. but it cant. so thats how they remain. sorry if no one understands that.

    the reason I became skeptical as I grew on wasn't because I couldn't "hear him" but I discovered evolution and all that. I guess your way could be why some become skeptical of him but I think more do it just because as they get older they realize it sounds kind of hokey/discover new ideas.
    Actually, that's pretty much the reason I stopped believing as well. I was just pointing out that it was kind of a bad analogy.
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    CT Track wrote:I expect nothing from God. I am mentally mature enough to realize that God is just an explanation for why things happen. God is bunched up into a matter of coincidences, miracles, and scientific happenings. If you believe in God, that's fine. But don't believe in God because you believe in heaven. Believe in God because you wish to better yourself and be a good person.
    Who are you to tell people how and what to believe?

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    Post by ButterySmoothStride on Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:50 am

    Pinthin wrote:
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    whenhen wrote:
    BagoXC25 wrote:Not believing in God is like saying you don't believe your father had anything to do with your birth.
    Not really. You can't use any of your five senses to observe god, but you can look at the similar features of you and your father. For skeptics of god who can't feel it's presence, it's a bad analogy.

    yea, we were discussing this and some people who do believe end up hating god because he doesnt give them exactly what they want. now if i pray. what i receive i take as a gift of guidance because god doesnt always give us the easiest things or the things we want but he gives us the things we need. and idk about the skeptics but they just remain skeptics because they dont try or anything. they dont understand that in order to understand and accept god they have to trust him and believe in him. it doesnt just happen. which i think is the problem with some skeptics they want it to just come to them. but it cant. so thats how they remain. sorry if no one understands that.

    the reason I became skeptical as I grew on wasn't because I couldn't "hear him" but I discovered evolution and all that. I guess your way could be why some become skeptical of him but I think more do it just because as they get older they realize it sounds kind of hokey/discover new ideas.

    You discovered evolution?

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    Post by FinishingKick on Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:59 am

    Lol, but seriously, you can believe in evolution and god.
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    Post by CT Track on Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:01 pm

    It may have come off as imperative, but it was strictly myself sharing my own beliefs. But really, do you want to live your life just to serve God and just to get to heaven no matter what it takes? People tell you not to worry about what others think about you, but seriously have some thought for what your actions may course. Like SourWorms said that he beliefs in the teachings for the bible, not the factual information that happened. All religious teachings more or less have the effect of teaching good morals. If you're not going to follow it, then why even believe in a God.
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    Post by FinishingKick on Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:12 pm

    Who isn't following it?
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    I wasn't pointing fingers anywhere. I'm giving my two cents?

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